http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/2.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net
[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
EA/Maxis lied to the National Geographic

[i] they had been led to believe that the interviews were for a straight documentary about "developmental evolutionary" science[/i]
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/322/5901/531b

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
[i] "I was used," says Neil Shubin, a paleontologist at the University of Chicago in Illinois, who worries that science has been "hijacked" to promote a product.[/i]
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/322/5901/531b
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/10083.page
~ Thank you Poetry

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
All people are unhappy with Spore and have major issues with it.

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
There are people who like this Spore just fine (the demonstration-version Spore would be nice as a seperate release), and have NO aesthetic or technical issues with it.
~ hmspepper

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
Install limit increased from 3 to 5. ~ EA
[i]Please Note: This is merely a "half-truth" as not everyone who purchased spore is getting 5 installs ~ See Below[/i]

[size=14][b][COLOR=GREEN]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
[quote= Dairuka][i]The total installation attempts on the first batch of games released in the month of September have a total of 3 installations. Any other versions of the game released have a total of 5 installations, leaving those of us suckers who bought the game early, SOL. [/i][/quote]
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
Legitimate users can easily achieve new activations if they run out. ~ Public Misconception

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
If you believe that, read this...
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page

Thanks Dairuka

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i] Spore Begins With a Big Bang! One Million Games Sold and 25 Million Creations Uploaded[/i]
http://www.ea.com/read/20080924-sporemillion.xml

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
[i]Spore realised sales of 406K units[/i]
http://www.pcworld.com/article/152396/npd_xbox_360_soars_past_ps3_in_september_sales.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081017-september-npd-numbers-star-wars-trumps-flagging-us-economy.html

The claim of 25 Million Creations is also greatly exaggerated. Spore uploads every variation of a single creation, add a hat to ur creature, new creation uploaded. ~ Thanks RedLightning777

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i]“I think that, in general, a year and a half ago EA was pretty well hated -- and I think for good reasons," he says. [b]"Today, you’d be hard pressed to go to a forum and not see a lot of people defending EA and its products.”[/b] [/i] ~ EA CEO
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20655

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
You've got to be kidding!! EA is the MOST HATED developer! just google "hate EA"

[size=14][b][color=red]STRAIGHT LIES[/color][/b][/size]
[i] EA: Piracy didn't hurt 'Spore' sales[/i]
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10054438-62.html

[i]"Stepping aside from the whole issue of DRM, people need to recognize that every BitTorrent download doesn’t represent a successful copy of a game, let alone a lost sale,"[/i] ~ Mariam Sughayer of EA's corporate communications department
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20424

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
[i] Spore: Most Pirated Game Ever Thanks to DRM[/i]
http://torrentfreak.com/spore-most-pirated-game-ever-thanks-to-drm-080913/

[size=14][b][color=red]LIES FROM THE VIDEOS[/color][/b][/size]
See this thread for a detail of how we were misled about spore
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/8654.page

View the videos for yourself here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8372603330420559198&ei=K3_5SIqnJ4mwrQLlo4TqDg&q=spore
and
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-394434397798392775&ei=Wn_5SNSAIJycrAK9oozNCg&q=spore

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/b][/color][/size]
What you have installed on ur system :(

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/b][/color][/size]
[i]“So far, Spore has outsold Sims 2,” he notes. “Commercially, it’s doing very well.”[/i] ~ EA CEO
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20655

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/b][/color][/size]
[i] the updated list shows [Sims 2] in third with a total 534,000 units sold[/i]
(*Spore realised sales of 406K units*)
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17129

And that figure was ONLY for the year 2007 and did not include previous years!! The release date was September 17, 2004

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i]"...now we’re allowing more authentications and working with players to de-authenticate which makes it more in line like an iTunes."[/i] ~ Will Wright

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
Ummm....... Where's this de-authenticate wonder?? Oh yea, it doesn't exist yet o.0 so how are u allowing it now?

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i]I'm guessing that half of them were pirates, and the other half were people caught up in something that they didn’t understand. If I’d had a chance to have a conversation with them, they’d have gotten it... There are different ways to do DRM; the most successful is what WoW does. They just charge you by the month.[/i] ~ EA CEO
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/10/15/ea-ceo-half-spore-drm-protesters-were-pirates

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
The simple fact of the matter is EA's CEO refused to talk to anyone about Spore's DRM. Even before Spore was released there was a small furor about the SecuROM DRM. At NO TIME did John Riccitiello invite any discussion.

WoW's model is not the only solution to DRM...
see http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170117
and http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/10/02/fallout-3-pc-to-ship-with-simple-drm

The simple fact is that DRM does NOT protect sales or products. It only impedes legitimate users. EA has yet to provide proof to support the contrary, not to mention the common sense to see beyond its greedy nose.

Calling your critical opponents pirates or stupid??? Wow, that's really gotta boost the image of EA.

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i]"I personally don't like DRM. It interrupts the user experience. We would like to get around that. But there is this problem called piracy out there."[/i] ~ EA CEO

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
SecuROM is not necessary to protect sales...

Sins of a Solar Empire by stardock has sold 500,000+ (surpassing SPORE sales) units with minimal DRM!
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20026

SoaSE DRM -
[i]"Here's the basic question that every publisher/gamer/developer could ask: By requiring the CD to be in the drive to play a game, even assuming that protection unbreakable, do you increase your sales?

I ask that because many gamers who are on the fence on a given title won't purchase a game if it requires them to treat their CD like a dongle key. Why? Because let's face it, we lose our CDs eventually. Or we damage them. And so what happens is that people who are on the fence on a given title simply choose not to buy the game.

By not having any CD copy protection, people who are on the fence about our game can see that it's only $40 and once it's installed on their machines (plural) they don't have to fuss with the CD anymore. [b]And we do have a type of copy protection -- free updates for customers."[/b][/i]
http://forums.galciv2.com/107193/page/3/

Thanks to Dairuka for this lead. And Pyrion for the correction.

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
EA would leave the PC development market if it doesn't get its way. ~ Popular Misconception

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
EA wouldn't dare vacate the lucrative PC development sector. EA's shear size and profitability is a direct result of its cross platform portfolio. If EA exited PC/Mac development, it would leave a hole in the market which other developers would quickly and easily fill. By doing so, EA would shoot itself in the foot and threaten its own existence. So what if it's games get pirated, EA will still make millions off of the Advertisements that would be downloaded in the games via the EADM.

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[size=14][b]No Dissent = No Democracy[/b][/size]

[color=red]On Nov 10, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Maxis, Cactus wrote:

Hi Marx83,

While we encourage feedback, critical and positive, and open discourse in our forums, we also want to promote a positive atmosphere.

We‘re actively listening to forum participants to find ways to improve the Spore experience. If you’re unhappy with our practices, the best way to be heard is to give us constructive criticism on what you’d like to see changed. We pay attention to your feedback especially when you give us specifics, but we request that you be respectful when voicing your opinions.

You recently posted an image in your signature that says, “It’s not fascism when we do it.”

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/3412/sporecistto0.jpg

The image depicting a SPORE with a Spore logo violates our TOS concerning objectionable content. We would ask that you remove this image from your signature voluntarily as we have received complaints about it as objectionable.

Sincerely,
MaxisCactus[/color]

[color=green]From: Colyn [mailto:poprocks83@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:56 AM
To: Maxis, Cactus
Subject: Re: Your Spore forum signature image

Hello,

I understand your contacting me in regards to the referenced image. You claim that it depicts a SPORE, I disagree. There are no SPORE symbols or insignia visible anywhere in the image. On the contrary, it depicts a man holding a red flag with the spore logo. As the image does not depict a SPORE, I'm sure you'll agree this issue is resolved.

Thank You,
Colyn a.k.a. Marx83
[/color]
[color=red]On Nov 11, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Maxis, Cactus wrote:

Hi Colyn,

Thanks for understanding. Our forum guidelines ask that you respect the decisions of our moderators and staff.
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/4.page

The image you posted is an altered version of one copyrighted by OLD American Century, found here: http://www.oldamericancentury.org/image_gallery/image_gallery2.htm

All images in the galleries are copyright 2004-2008 Project for the OLD American Century, however you have full permission to post them wherever you like so long as the images are not altered in any way other than resizing them.

Please remove the image as it constitutes copyright infringement which violates our TOS.

Thank you,
Maxis Cactus[/color]

[color=green]From: Colyn [mailto:poprocks83@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:13 PM
To: Maxis, Cactus
Subject: Re: Your Spore forum signature image

Hello,

I appreciate your reply. The image does not constitute copyright infringement under the law. The image, in whatever original form has never been registered for copyrights. The image you reference at old american century has rights pertaining to THAT version of the image. In other words, the image is public domain and its usage as I have it has no copyright and does not constitute copyright infringement. Please see http://www.copyright.gov/title17/ for copyright law.

Thank You,
Colyn a.k.a. Marx83

As the image has been changed from its original intended meaning, it is now considered "derivative work"
[/color]
[color=red]On Nov 11, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Maxis, Cactus wrote:


Hi Colyn,

Still, we expect you to respect the decisions of the moderators and staff.

From our guidelines:
Guidelines - Posting etiquette
• Work out differences politely
• Be respectful when posting about religious, political, or otherwise controversial content

Behavior – Help keep the forums a fun place to discuss Spore

Moderators and Staff – We’re here to help
• Respect the decisions of the moderators and staff

This has been reported to us by other forum members as offensive, and we are asking you to remove it.

Thanks,
MaxisCactus[/color]

[color=green]From: Colyn [mailto:poprocks83@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:50 PM
To: Maxis, Cactus
Subject: Re: Your Spore forum signature image

Hello,

I understand that you have labeled the image as "offensive". I truly do not see how anyone could come to that conclusion. Could you please advise me as to how the image is offensive?

Thank You,
Colyn a.k.a. Marx83[/color]

[color=red]On Nov 11, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Maxis, Cactus wrote:

This is offensive to us because it links Spore with Fascism, an ideology that we don’t support. The issue is not up for debate.

You are required by the forum guidelines to respect the decisions of the staff. I ask you to remove the image by the end of the day today. If you are unable to respect the forum guidelines, your forum privileges will be temporarily suspended.

Thanks,
-MaxisCactus[/color]

[color=green]Hello,

Yes, the image does link Spore with Fascism. I ask that you take a step back and analyze this situation. In the Spore universe you have the "power" and can exercise that power as you see fit. Regardless of the medium used for my expression, you are exercising your "power" to limit my rights as an individual. This by the very definition is Fascism, you see the image as offensive because it represents your desire to limit my free will. I had hoped that this dialog would have progressed in a more positive fashion, but I see now that objective is impossible.

I will not concede my rights as an individual, you will have to strip them from me. You've proven that you are willing to take the first step towards Fascism and have lost every shred of respect. I pity you, and hope that one day you'll regain your humanity.

Best Regards,
Colyn a.k.a. Marx83[/color]



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[size=14][b]Other Things You Should Know![/b][/size]

[list]In-game advertising is in ~ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10065899-52.html
[i]"The quick answer is, of course we would partner with them and anybody else who would write us a check."[/i]
[color=green]What about all the customers who write you checks every day?? Aren't they partners?[/color][/list]

[b]In-Game Advertising[/b]
Our games may incorporate dynamic advertisement serving technology offered by Massive Inc. or IGA Worldwide Inc. (“Ad Providers”), which enables advertising to be temporarily uploaded into the game on your PC or console, and replaced while you play online. Ad Providers only log information that is needed to measure presentation of, and serve advertising to the appropriate geographic region, and to the right location within the game. Logged data may include Internet Protocol Address or player’s user name, in game location, length of time an advertisement was visible, size of the advertisements, and angle of view. Your game may be assigned an id number, which is stored on your PC or console, and used by Ad Providers to calculate the number of unique and repeat views of dynamic in game advertising. The id number is not associated with any personal data. No logged information is used to personally identify you. The servers used by the Ad Providers may be located outside your country of residence. If you reside in a Member State of the European Union, the servers may be located outside of the European Union. This ad serving technology is integrated into the game; if you do not want to use this technology, do not play the game while connected to the Internet. For more information concerning Massive Incorporated, please visit http://www.massiveincorporated.com. For more information concerning IGA Worldwide Inc., please visit www.igaworldwide.com.
http://legal.ea.com/legal/legal.jsp?language=en

[list]Sims 3 To Have In-Game Advertising ~ http://industry.bnet.com/advertising/1000252/iga-scores-more-in-game-advertising-for-sims-3/[/list]
[list]What happens when a developer asks pirates "Why?" http://www.sakuafk.com/2008/08/17/yar-a-game-developer-talked-to-pirates/[/list]
[list]Check out the GAMERS BILL OF RIGHTS, championed by Game Developer http://www.stardock.com/about/newsitem.asp?id=1095[/list]
[list][url=http://www.gamepolitics.com/2007/08/16/electronic-arts-creates-revisionist-history-on-the-wikipedia]EA Creates Revisionist History on Wikipedia[/url][/list]
[list][url=http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchresults.asp?q5=Electronic+Arts&Search=Search&q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21]EA's Rip Off Report[/url][/list]
[list][url=http://goldengate.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=99&bbb=1116&firm=64196]EA's Abysmal Record from the Better Business Bureau[/url][/list]
[list]EA/Maxis was asked if they [url=http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/30/10708.page]with held content to sell as expansions[/url]. To date, no response has been given.[/list]

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Will be updated as I find/research more... PM me with anything u find, and i'll add it to the list.
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[i]The following is purely a theory which attempts to explain why EA would push the issue of SecuROM (even tho it knows SecuROM is a failure) and to extrapolate further including EA's stated future plans. Again, please note that this is just a THEORY, albeit a very plausible one.[/i]

[b]Conspiracy [i]Theory[/i][/b]

So, i've been thinking about EA's recent moves, and have come up with a possible theory... First, the facts -

[list]EA will make the EADM required in all future games.[/list]
[list]SecuROM requires a "phone home" re-authentication every 10 days or your game stops working. [color=green]EA has since recinded this requirement, thanks to all the complainers[/color][/list]
[list]EA has begun implementing in-game advertising.[/list]

Our buddy Johnny (EA's CEO John Riccitiello) has said he's going to implement in-game advertising in the near future so he can make more money. Johnny needs to make sure that the infrastructure for such a system exists before rolling the program out. Johnny knows that people don't want advertisements in their games, and if he moves to fast, he'll loose everything.

Under the guise of "piracy", Johnny installs SecuROM on all his players systems. To make sure players sign on to download new advertisements for their games, he makes sure your game becomes unplayable after 10 days offline. Johnny knows that this is probably the hardest hurdle to cross over, so he picks the game title most likely to penetrate the market. Johnny chooses Spore, knowing many want this game and it's backed by one of the industry leaders, Will Wright.

Johnny was prepared for the backlash against SecuROM, it's his most necessary component to success. Johnny began a dehumanizing campaign against those who opposed SecuROM by labeling them Pirates. He hopes this strategy will divide the players as they squabble against themselves, distracting them from the big picture. To hide the EADM, Johnny chooses the best practice, hide it in plain sight.

EADM is released with SecuROM and goes largely unnoticed. All the while the EADM is downloading content into players games. Little does anyone know, that this same EADM will be the source for all future advertisements. By tying EADM into the game, Johnny ensures that players cannot block out the advertisements without damaging their game. The second piece of the plan is put in place, quietly and successfully.

Johnny's still worried that if players succeed in damaging the most critical component, the SecuROM, his entire plan falls. So he plows over his opposition by releasing 2 blockbuster hits into the market, both carrying his advertisement dreams. Sims 3 and Red Alert 2 are both poised to be downloaded and installed on millions of computers world wide. Johnny thinks to himself, there's no way anyone could stop 3 trains.

[i]One Year Later[/i]

Johnny's plan was a huge success. He now has advertisements running in all games and millions of extra dollars rolling in ever 2 weeks. Johnny smiles to himself as he mulls over his genius.

[quote= JohnnyPie][b]Previous to this theory, EA decided to back down from the 10 day re-authentication program.[/b]
http://games.slashdot.org/games/08/05/09/2318229.shtml[/quote]
My thanks to JohnnyPie for announcing this victory :D]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104137.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104137.page GMT
There was another article on the artstechnica site you posted that I found interesting though off-topc.. yet relevant.

[quote]EA is suffering some major PR problems. The company has enjoyed plenty of positive coverage over games like Dead Space and Mirror's Edge, and it has announced deals with talent like Grasshopper Manufacture, ID software, and Epic that have made its portfolio even more impressive. But the invasive and controversial DRM included in Spore and the upcoming Red Alert 3 is causing some gamers to swear off the company's work entirely. Unfortunately, the politics of piracy prevention are now hurting both EA and the gamers that want to support quality titles, [b]and it doesn't look like there will be a happy resolution in the near future[/b].[/quote]

The part in bold .. is horrible. Why doesn't EA JUST FREAKING LISTEN! RULE #1: Keep the Customer HAPPY.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104144.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104144.page GMT
[quote]If Marx86's sales figures are correct, they have not come close to breaking even. I understand that the total Spore development cost approached 45 million.

Supposedly, roughly 400,000 units have been sold. At a cost of $50 per unit, that only equals $20 million GROSS which leaves them at a 25 million dollar shortfall. And THEN you have to consider the additional costs of marketing.

According to this article
http://www.romow.com/games-blog/is-spore-the-mother-of-all-video-games/
the total cost to bring Spore to market was around $75 MILLION.

That means that they're looking at a FIFTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLAR SHORTFALL, and that doesn't even cover the fact that the money they make per unit is far less than what BestBuy et al charge, and then you have duplication costs, cost of manual and packaging, etc which is fairly trivial but adds up. How much are they actually profiting per unit sale? $30?
[/quote]

I wonder how hard they are getting hit by the current economic depression. Say hello to Kondratiev winter.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104153.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104153.page GMT Cause I couldnt play CC3 Kanes Wrath cause stupid bugs and off balanced units.
Before making a new they have to clear bugs off old ones...


If you click GDI chooper with a nod soldier it will take you aboard and your guy stay in that chooper forever.
One GDI soldier squad equal to 2 nod militia and a rocket squad.
Reedemer Super Nod vehicle could destroyed by two orkas...
GDI Zone Raider Squad could destroy anything within a sec.

4 months passed Non really working patches.

And about RA3 they used all the old voices of units.Funny

PS: THQ forever...]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104156.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104156.page GMT
No way am I buying RA3.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104160.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104160.page GMT
Any hope of the game improving rests on spore being profitable to them and if they actually swallowed a $55 million loss.......

Also EA stock got hammered this month but then again what didn't]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104186.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104186.page GMT
[quote]If Marx86's sales figures are correct, they have not come close to breaking even. I understand that the total Spore development cost approached 45 million.

Supposedly, roughly 400,000 units have been sold. At a cost of $50 per unit, that only equals $20 million GROSS which leaves them at a 25 million dollar shortfall. And THEN you have to consider the additional costs of marketing.

According to this article
http://www.romow.com/games-blog/is-spore-the-mother-of-all-video-games/
the total cost to bring Spore to market was around $75 MILLION.

That means that they're looking at a FIFTY-FIVE MILLION DOLLAR SHORTFALL, and that doesn't even cover the fact that the money they make per unit is far less than what BestBuy et al charge, and then you have duplication costs, cost of manual and packaging, etc which is fairly trivial but adds up. How much are they actually profiting per unit sale? $30?
[/quote]

I wonder how hard they are getting hit by the current economic depression. Say hello to Kondratiev winter.[/quote]


Even less now, you can buy SPORE for $35 on Amazon now.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104195.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104195.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104199.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104199.page GMT
if Maxis isn´t smart enough to try and satisfy their playerbase, they´ll just go down with that ship


they underestimated their customer´s intelligence, by dumbing-down the game, and breaking it up to sell it to us in pieces (aka expansions)... that´s a MAJOR foul in ANY line of business....

no wonder it´s going downhill

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104200.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104200.page GMT
if Maxis isn´t smart enough to try and satisfy their playerbase, they´ll just go down with that ship


they underestimated their customer´s intelligence, by dumbing-down the game, and breaking it up to sell it to us in pieces (aka expansions)... that´s a MAJOR foul in ANY line of business....

no wonder it´s going downhill

[/quote]

A major foul indeed, add that to the many other major fouls, and its a strikeout! Not sure if there's anymore strikes left at this point.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104229.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104229.page GMT
if Maxis isn´t smart enough to try and satisfy their playerbase, they´ll just go down with that ship [/quote]

Nah, their stock is comparatively OK considering, and I think they've got plenty of cash on hand. Plus, they wouldn't be expecting full return on investment two months after launch I wouldn't think. However, they are going to be scraping hard to get more. Expect another parts pack shortly after Cute and Creepy.

Just think, all this was completely unnecessary. They should have just listened to their LEAD DESIGNER WHO HAS MADE NUMEROUS MULTIMILLION DOLLAR GAMES. Will Wright might be responsible for a billion dollars in sales over the years.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104236.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104236.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104247.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104247.page GMT
Take into account how many potentially great games EA has destroyed over the years, and you'd understand our hate.

GoldenEye: Rogue Agent
Alien vs Predator
Army of Two
Black & White 2
Dungeon Keeper 2
Majestic
Medal of Honor: Allied Assault
Medal of Honor: Airborne
Sim City Societies
X Squad
Hellgate: London
Battlefield 2
Ultima Online

... Thats just the ones I can remember.

EA spams the market, and buys out anything that shows any hint of creativity that could pose as a competitive threat to their base. Then they ruin every series by firing skilled talent; over-bearing existing talent with lame draconian producers and executives who take over and go so far as to cut funding the moment a game is released making post-release support for free a pipe-dream.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104255.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104255.page GMT
What a complete and utter failure that piece of garbage was. Horrible, and I'm astonished Roper allowed it to be released in the condition it was in.

Unless...

Unless he didn't have any say in the matter.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104260.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104260.page GMT
Bingo! Flagship took the flak, and EA walked off with all the money earned on release.

Just like they're doing with spore.

Just like they're going to do with Mirrors Edge.

Just like they're going to do with every other game...

And the consumers don't matter. Only the share-holders do. Gaming is just a business to EA. We're just pawns.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104261.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104261.page GMT
Just pointing out the fact that, given the past twenty months of election crap, I'm starting to have a tough time telling the difference between a gaming forum and a political forum.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104263.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104263.page GMT
What a complete and utter failure that piece of garbage was. Horrible, and I'm astonished Roper allowed it to be released in the condition it was in.

Unless...

Unless he didn't have any say in the matter.[/quote]

I personally liked Hellgate... once it got past launch and we got stonehenge it was pretty decent.. I had a lot of fun in templar with some friends.. its sad what happened to it though had serious potential.

There is one thing I like from http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10065899-52.html on the in game advertisement:
[quote=CEO John Riccitiello ]When asked whether he would consider using Google's nascent AdSense for games, Riccitiello replied, "The quick answer is, of course we would partner with them and anybody else who would write us a check." [/quote]

I find that extremly funny.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104264.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104264.page GMT
What a complete and utter failure that piece of garbage was. Horrible, and I'm astonished Roper allowed it to be released in the condition it was in.

Unless...

Unless he didn't have any say in the matter.[/quote]

I personally liked Hellgate... once it got past launch and we got stonehenge it was pretty decent.. I had a lot of fun in templar with some friends.. its sad what happened to it though had serious potential.

There is one thing I like from http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10065899-52.html on the in game advertisement:
[quote=CEO John Riccitiello ]When asked whether he would consider using Google's nascent AdSense for games, Riccitiello replied, "The quick answer is, of course we would partner with them and anybody else who would write us a check." [/quote]

I find that extremly funny.[/quote]

ooooo, ima add that, thanks bro!!! ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104277.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104277.page GMT
You're being added to my in-game buddies list, and have earned like 50 comments on your stuff for that statement.

I absolutely loved my templar to death. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104281.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104281.page GMT
Now that I have a new computer I may pick it up again. It didn't seem like too bad a game.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104287.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104287.page GMT

[url]http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_t39/idt2008.09.25.16.17.09.html[/url] is where I found that the overinflated sales figures included DS version.

I found it odd when I couldnt find any sales figures on JUST Spore Creatures DS so I searched more and found this article.


]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104294.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104294.page GMT
PM me with any other lies EA/Maxis has put out and I'll add them.

Remember, we're keeping them honest ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104337.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104337.page GMT Cause I couldnt play CC3 Kanes Wrath cause stupid bugs and off balanced units.
Before making a new they have to clear bugs off old ones...


If you click GDI chooper with a nod soldier it will take you aboard and your guy stay in that chooper forever.
One GDI soldier squad equal to 2 nod militia and a rocket squad.
Reedemer Super Nod vehicle could destroyed by two orkas...
GDI Zone Raider Squad could destroy anything within a sec.

4 months passed Non really working patches.

And about RA3 they used all the old voices of units.Funny[/quote]

Im only getting RA3 because Gemma Atkinson's in there, and it's gonna be a less than legit one

So what can we do? We're just world citizens of the gaming world, and it doesnt take a genius to guess the terrorists.

Btw, is the missing contents in the Galactic edition shipped for Australian markets considered an advertising lie? I remember it being quite hot around here.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104343.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104343.page GMT but i just HAD to add info that Dairuka supplied...

His info TOTALLY smashes EA's position on DRM]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104356.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104356.page GMT
And that's a hell of a commentary on the state of the political system. Both the UK and Australia are turning into police states and the US doesn't seem far behind.

[quote]We're just world citizens of the gaming world, and it doesnt take a genius to guess the terrorists. [/quote]

Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Who are the true terrorists, period?
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104358.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104358.page GMT
And that's a hell of a commentary on the state of the political system. Both the UK and Australia are turning into police states and the US doesn't seem far behind.

[quote]We're just world citizens of the gaming world, and it doesnt take a genius to guess the terrorists. [/quote]

Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Who are the true terrorists, period?
[/quote]

OMG, you've read 1984!! Dude, u rock!!]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104360.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104360.page GMT
And that's a hell of a commentary on the state of the political system. Both the UK and Australia are turning into police states and the US doesn't seem far behind.

[quote]We're just world citizens of the gaming world, and it doesnt take a genius to guess the terrorists. [/quote]

Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Who are the true terrorists, period?
[/quote]

Winner.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104409.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104409.page GMT
And please don´t tell me it was you...I smell the smell of Truthers around here... ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104443.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104443.page GMT
I even made the best music video with the trailer (if I do say so myself. 7,563 views and 5 starred) but I removed it along with my other 18 music videos after one got taken down by youtube at the request of a record company. I freaked and just took everything else down.

(I know its stats because I took a screenshot of my video list before removing them)

/end ramble]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104449.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104449.page GMT
Thanks a lot for this.

1984 is probably one of the most important modern novels.

It has become obvious that we live in an Orwellian world.

And clearly the minitrue has begon a war against us.

(minitrue being the ministry of truth. If you know your Orwell .... )]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104486.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104486.page GMT You've got to be kidding!! EA is the MOST HATED developer! just google "hate EA"[/quote]

I dunno dude. Go take a look at the Steam forums. You'll likely not find a larger [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnpleasableFanbase]Unpleasable Fanbase[/url] dedicated to hatred of a specific company than those forums, directed straight at Valve.

[quote][size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
DRM is not necessary to protect sales...

Sins of a Solar Empire by stardock has sold 500,000+ (surpassing SPORE sales) units WITHOUT DRM!
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20026

Thanks to Dairuka for this lead.[/quote]

Technically-speaking, SoaSE does have DRM. It's just largely non-invasive. I believe a single online activation is all that's minimally necessary, although the whole point of Stardock's approach towards DRM is "paying customers get updates; pirates will get the game, but no updates, no tech support, no consideration for future improvements, nothing."

Just a couple of nitpicks.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104493.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104493.page GMT Apparently this was wrongly understood.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104498.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104498.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104500.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104500.page GMT
Pay no attention to him.
He is the lowest form of life present on these boards the so called Homunis Rodentia Fanboyuz.

He doesn't follow up on his posts either.
[/quote]

Geez, you make it sound like I pissed in your cornflakes.

Maybe I oughta.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104501.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104501.page GMT
Pay no attention to him.
He is the lowest form of life present on these boards the so called Homunis Rodentia Fanboyuz.

He doesn't follow up on his posts either.
[/quote]

Geez, you make it sound like I pissed in your cornflakes.

Maybe I oughta.[/quote]

I wasn't talking about you
I was talking about WilliWalli.

Btw, don't use the star system to express emotions


Dude, I just noticed that the language barrier has hit me again.
I understand why you took that the wrong way.
My bad. Just to be clear, I was not talking about you.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104503.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104503.page GMT [/quote]

[url=http://blogs.ign.com/Stardock_Games/2008/01/29/78711/]Sure can.[/url]

[quote]With Galactic Civilizations II, we put no copy protection on the CD. But to get updates, users had to use their unique serial # in the box. That’s because our system is backed by TotalGaming.net’s unique SSD service (secure software delivery) which forgoes DRM and copy protection as we know it to take a more common sense (I think so anyway as a gamer) approach of just making sure you are delivering your game to the actual customer.

...

Sins of a Solar Empire is taking the same route.[/quote]

It's technically DRM cuz the only way you can get updates is from Stardock, through a tool (was Stardock Central, now Stardock Impulse) that requires registration and linking to an account for the updates to occur. No valid registration, no updates. No valid registration, no tech support (they'll check). The obviousness of someone having pirated the game rises with each successive patch when it comes to forum posts cuz usually a complaint will be issued over something that's since been fixed in a patch. Why would anyone with an internet connection be reluctant to update their game?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104508.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104508.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104509.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104509.page GMT
I was talking about WilliWalli.

Btw, don't use the star system to express emotions


Dude, I just noticed that the language barrier has hit me again.
I understand why you took that the wrong way.
My bad. Just to be clear, I was not talking about you.[/quote]

Yeah, you should've quoted him in the context of quoting me. Barring that, it looked like you were telling everyone else to ignore me. Not an unreasonable suggestion, but there's gotta be more to it. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104511.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104511.page GMT
Yeah, you should've quoted him in the context of quoting me. Barring that, it looked like you were telling everyone else to ignore me. Not an unreasonable suggestion, but there's gotta be more to it. [/quote]

Yea i noticed to late that i fumbled up with the quotes
I was in no way suggestion you should be ignored.
Far from it even. You seem to talk with reason and intelligence.
But I'll say it again. The poster I was talking about was the bad one
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104516.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104516.page GMT Thanks Pyrion ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104523.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104523.page GMT
Another thing, Impulse doesn't have limitations on number of simultaneous activations. Just did a Google search with the parameters "site:forums.galciv2.com install multiple computers" and found [url=http://forums.galciv2.com/107193/page/3/]this gem[/url]:

[quote]Here's the basic question that every publisher/gamer/developer could ask: By requiring the CD to be in the drive to play a game, even assuming that protection unbreakable, do you increase your sales?

I ask that because many gamers who are on the fence on a given title won't purchase a game if it requires them to treat their CD like a dongle key. Why? Because let's face it, we lose our CDs eventually. Or we damage them. And so what happens is that people who are on the fence on a given title simply choose not to buy the game.

By not having any CD copy protection, people who are on the fence about our game can see that it's only $40 and once it's installed on their machines (plural) they don't have to fuss with the CD anymore. And we do have a type of copy protection -- free updates for customers.[/quote]

Making it kinda obvious, but I'm a huge Stardock fan, so any chance I get to pimp their digital distribution system, I take. Even if it looks like astroturfing. I can't help myself. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104546.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104546.page GMT OP updated..... again]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104556.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104556.page GMT With Galactic Civilizations II, we put no copy protection on the CD. But to get updates, users had to use their unique serial # in the box. That’s because our system is backed by TotalGaming.net’s unique SSD service (secure software delivery) which forgoes DRM and copy protection as we know it to take a more common sense (I think so anyway as a gamer) approach of just making sure you are delivering your game to the actual customer.

...

Sins of a Solar Empire is taking the same route.[/quote]
It's technically DRM cuz the only way you can get updates is from Stardock, through a tool (was Stardock Central, now Stardock Impulse) that requires registration and linking to an account for the updates to occur. No valid registration, no updates. No valid registration, no tech support (they'll check). The obviousness of someone having pirated the game rises with each successive patch when it comes to forum posts cuz usually a complaint will be issued over something that's since been fixed in a patch. Why would anyone with an internet connection be reluctant to update their game?[/quote]

You might consider it DRM, but its not SecuROM. It is very clear the way they verify it, and they dont install hidden programs along with your game. And I am very reluctant to update SPORE, because the last patch screwed my game.

"Stepping aside from the whole issue of DRM, people need to recognize that every BitTorrent download doesn’t represent a successful copy of a game, let alone a lost sale," ~ Mariam Sughayer of EA's corporate communications department

If a BitTorrent download isnt a lost sale (here I agree) then why is the DRM there?

managed to unquote myself, after a bunch of edits]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104558.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104558.page GMT
If you click on the link provided as "truth" to that lie of EA's, you'll see that EA was full of SPORE.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104563.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104563.page GMT
I consider it DRM because, by definition, it's DRM. It's DRM in much the same way that the 10NES chip in American NES game cartridges is DRM (making it one of the oldest ones in the book). No, it's not SecuROM, but are we complaining about DRM in general or just complaining about SecuROM specifically?

I have no problem with DRM if it's largely invisible to the user. If EA disabled the activation limitations, then I'd have no problem with SecuROM. Although I still don't like their attitude towards Sysinternals Process Explorer, but that's something I can live with.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104568.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104568.page GMT
I consider it DRM because, by definition, it's DRM. It's DRM in much the same way that the 10NES chip in American NES game cartridges is DRM (making it one of the oldest ones in the book). No, it's not SecuROM, but are we complaining about DRM in general or just complaining about SecuROM specifically?

I have no problem with DRM if it's largely invisible to the user. If EA disabled the activation limitations, then I'd have no problem with SecuROM. Although I still don't like their attitude towards Sysinternals Process Explorer, but that's something I can live with.[/quote]

We are complayining about any sort of DRM that install a separate hidden program without clearly informing us of whats going to happen. Also, the install limitations mean that they are renting us their game. Its ridiculous, there isnt even a tool to un-authorize a computer. SecuROM installs to the Kernel, there is no need of such invasion. I consider SecuROM malware, and my next SPORE installation (I have it in 2 PCs) will be SecuROM free.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104580.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104580.page GMT
How so? It was all over the news running up to the game's release. You're telling me that you never saw this coming?

This is why I have to figure that the lawsuit against EA will fail. If EA really "snuck SecuROM in," how are the plaintiffs going to explain all the media attention it was given before the game actually shipped?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104585.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104585.page GMT
How so? It was all over the news running up to the game's release. You're telling me that you never saw this coming?

This is why I have to figure that the lawsuit against EA will fail. If EA really "snuck SecuROM in," how are the plaintiffs going to explain all the media attention it was given before the game actually shipped?[/quote]

I agree. It is very difficult to imagine that anyone that follows EA games- especially Sims 2- and followed Spore up to release- would not have known about securom being a part of their game. I could undertsand those that never followed the game at all or read the forums before they bought it- but it does seem strange how suddenly a person can not only claim no knowledge but also launch and file a lawsuit within 2 weeks release of the game when we all have been aware and dealing with securom for years. I doubt it is just some innocent bystander.

The warnings on box are vague though, I agree with that- but I have loads of games here with securom copy protection and none of them have clear warnings so nobody cared until now and all these games on my shelf could also be sued if this is successful.





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How so? It was all over the news running up to the game's release. You're telling me that you never saw this coming?

This is why I have to figure that the lawsuit against EA will fail. If EA really "snuck SecuROM in," how are the plaintiffs going to explain all the media attention it was given before the game actually shipped?[/quote]

I only heard about it after I bought it, and I followed a couple spore fansites. I know it was my mistake, but I am not buying an EA game ever again.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104620.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104620.page GMT
How so? It was all over the news running up to the game's release. You're telling me that you never saw this coming?

This is why I have to figure that the lawsuit against EA will fail. If EA really "snuck SecuROM in," how are the plaintiffs going to explain all the media attention it was given before the game actually shipped?[/quote]

I only heard about it after I bought it, and I followed a couple spore fansites. I know it was my mistake, but I am not buying an EA game ever again.[/quote]

Hi Deity

You can google for lists of games that have securom or starforce which is considered by anti DRM campaigners to be worst. You will be surprised how many games contain DRM that people are complaining about and it is not confined to EA whatsoever. I would be surprised if you have never installed any of them.

I will post this link and have a look and see if you have ever had any of these games
http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/gamedb.php?letter=all

Hating on EA only for this is just a witch hunt by disappointed Sporers - well the activation limits are unacceptable however they have stated they are rectifying that so we should give them the chance to do so.



]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104659.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104659.page GMT
To all you people out there complaining about the complaints... Here's ur chance ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104817.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104817.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104832.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104832.page GMT
LOL, believe it or not, i was actually being serious I couldn't find anything they'd been truthful about either.... I'm hoping the EA fanboys out there will find something..... anything.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104838.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104838.page GMT
To all you people out there complaining about the complaints... Here's ur chance [/quote]

The game is the game. They have never hidden the changes or the copy protection supplied with it from my point of view as a follower of the game.

The game turned from science to cute- it was obvious- the site screamed it - the box art works screams it. Everything for anyone that followed closely the development should have seen it- .
The DRM was well known to me before I bought the game- not hidden in lies. Sorry others were not aware but it was not a conspiracy - it was all over the internet!!

Where do online journalists/EA spokespeople get their stats quoted? From what statistics- retail/wholesale dissc/digital console/pc- more facts are needed then blanket broad statements twisted for what either side wants the truth to be.

Oh and boy- should anyone that works for EA defend or support their company or products - they should be fired- they should only have people in charge or work there that rubbish the game, talk negatively and spread hate and proganda for those that have nothing better online to do!



]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104849.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104849.page GMT
To all you people out there complaining about the complaints... Here's ur chance [/quote]

The game is the game. They have never hidden the changes or the copy protection supplied with it from my point of view as a follower of the game.

The game turned from science to cute- it was obvious- the site screamed it - the box art works screams it. Everything for anyone that followed closely the development should have seen it- .
The DRM was well known to me before I bought the game- not hidden in lies. Sorry others were not aware but it was not a conspiracy - it was all over the internet!!

Where do online journalists/EA spokespeople get their stats quoted? From what statistics- retail/wholesale dissc/digital console/pc- more facts are needed then blanket broad statements twisted for what either side wants the truth to be.

Oh and boy- should anyone that works for EA defend or support their company or products - they should be fired- they should only have people in charge or work there that rubbish the game, talk negatively and spread hate and proganda for those that have nothing better online to do!
[/quote]

Please read OP, it debunks these assertions.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104854.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104854.page GMT
How so? It was all over the news running up to the game's release. You're telling me that you never saw this coming?

This is why I have to figure that the lawsuit against EA will fail. If EA really "snuck SecuROM in," how are the plaintiffs going to explain all the media attention it was given before the game actually shipped?[/quote]

I would testify as somebody who does no surf game boards, that I had no idea what secuROM or DRM was until I started on the forums here! Just because a bunch of peoply hype it up, doesn't mean everybody knew. I certainly didn't.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104863.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104863.page GMT
How so? It was all over the news running up to the game's release. You're telling me that you never saw this coming?

This is why I have to figure that the lawsuit against EA will fail. If EA really "snuck SecuROM in," how are the plaintiffs going to explain all the media attention it was given before the game actually shipped?[/quote]

I would testify as somebody who does no surf game boards, that I had no idea what secuROM or DRM was until I started on the forums here! Just because a bunch of peoply hype it up, doesn't mean everybody knew. I certainly didn't.[/quote]

The reason u didn't know is cause all avenues to inform people were closed. The media refused to report on it, even tho countless people (including myself) asked them to.

EA did not put any markings on the box to warn of its DRM scheme (i wonder why?)

The Spore EULA is purposefully vague in regards to install limits, information gathered about your computer and ur uses of it.

The Spore forums prior to this one were run by Naziesq moderators, who would shut down/ban anyone who spoke about SecuROM.

EA was allowed to have several product review drafts ready for release on Amazon.com and Amazon agreed to inflate the star rating. After the negative review bomb (totally uncoordinated btw) Amazon removed all reviews, only to later put them back up claiming a database error was at fault. Amazon also began blocking the posting of reviews about Spore for anyone who rated it a 2 or lower (often claiming the review was not about the "experience" with the product <-- also vague)]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104869.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104869.page GMT
How so? It was all over the news running up to the game's release. You're telling me that you never saw this coming?

This is why I have to figure that the lawsuit against EA will fail. If EA really "snuck SecuROM in," how are the plaintiffs going to explain all the media attention it was given before the game actually shipped?[/quote]

Most people don't follow spore closely. They probably just saw it at the store and bought it, like I did.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104874.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104874.page GMT There are of course people that did not know. What is being said is those that claim they are hard core Spore/EA games supporters and follow all the news etc would have known.
Also when you found out could and did you launch a lawsuit by yourself immediatley within 2 weeks? Most people that hear about it- first do some solid reasearch that can take anything up to a few months/years to get proper statistics and that is being generous.
You do not read on a forum or online shopping site that there is securom, ring your lawyer and automatically a lawsuit is launched. and also filed in a federal court.
This was planned for some time.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104881.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104881.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104885.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104885.page GMT There are of course people that did not know. What is being said is those that claim they are hard core Spore/EA games supporters and follow all the news etc would have known.
Also when you found out could and did you launch a lawsuit by yourself immediatley within 2 weeks? Most people that hear about it- first do some solid reasearch that can take anything up to a few months/years to get proper statistics and that is being generous.
You do not read on a forum or online shopping site that there is securom, ring your lawyer and automatically a lawsuit is launched. and also filed in a federal court.
This was planned for some time.
[/quote]

The law suit was not a "lone" filing. It's being pressed by a strong legal firm (which has tackled Sony, makers of SecuROM, before) which filed a COMPLAINT. A complaint is a precursor to a lawsuit.

Please dude, research a bit will u?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104888.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104888.page GMT
How so? It was all over the news running up to the game's release. You're telling me that you never saw this coming?

This is why I have to figure that the lawsuit against EA will fail. If EA really "snuck SecuROM in," how are the plaintiffs going to explain all the media attention it was given before the game actually shipped?[/quote]

I would testify as somebody who does no surf game boards, that I had no idea what secuROM or DRM was until I started on the forums here! Just because a bunch of peoply hype it up, doesn't mean everybody knew. I certainly didn't.[/quote]

The reason u didn't know is cause all avenues to inform people were closed. The media refused to report on it, even tho countless people (including myself) asked them to.

EA did not put any markings on the box to warn of its DRM scheme (i wonder why?)

The Spore EULA is purposefully vague in regards to install limits, information gathered about your computer and ur uses of it.

The Spore forums prior to this one were run by Naziesq moderators, who would shut down/ban anyone who spoke about SecuROM.

EA was allowed to have several product review drafts ready for release on Amazon.com and Amazon agreed to inflate the star rating. After the negative review bomb (totally uncoordinated btw) Amazon removed all reviews, only to later put them back up claiming a database error was at fault. Amazon also began blocking the posting of reviews about Spore for anyone who rated it a 2 or lower (often claiming the review was not about the "experience" with the product <-- also vague)[/quote]

Marx83 you are incorrect - (i would not accuse you of lying) about the SPORE shutdown about securom.

The sims 2 site has gazillion threads about it. When it first came up there was a mod that was over zealous- much like our mysporepage here- and got dismissed over it- but since then the only ones that are shut down are the ones that end up in flames and arguments.

There is no conspiracy as you are trying to imply. That is also harped on by people much like the media jumped all over the moderator here for posting people would be banned and not able to play the game- which we know is not true. Some sites reporting this have chosen not to update and correct the reports which just shows they are the ones actually not wanting the truth to be given to the public. They only want the negative side of things which they jump all over.

It is freely open for discussion as per this forum here.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104894.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104894.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104899.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/104899.page GMT There are of course people that did not know. What is being said is those that claim they are hard core Spore/EA games supporters and follow all the news etc would have known.
Also when you found out could and did you launch a lawsuit by yourself immediatley within 2 weeks? Most people that hear about it- first do some solid reasearch that can take anything up to a few months/years to get proper statistics and that is being generous.
You do not read on a forum or online shopping site that there is securom, ring your lawyer and automatically a lawsuit is launched. and also filed in a federal court.
This was planned for some time.
[/quote]

The law suit was not a "lone" filing. It's being pressed by a strong legal firm (which has tackled Sony, makers of SecuROM, before) which filed a COMPLAINT. A complaint is a precursor to a lawsuit.

Please dude, research a bit will u?[/quote]

You just proved my point- it is presented to be by Melissa Thomas but it is a CA suit by a team ready to pounce. You do the research DUDE!

The strongest argument they have is that it is unkown - but yet you say they know all about it from a previous suit.

Of course they did- ANyone with half a brain could figure out they knew and using some figure head - willing to go along with their ride.
You think gaming companies love money- lawyers are their rival there LOL
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EA Creates Revisionist History on Wikipedia

EA's Rip Off Report

EA's Abysmal Record from the Better Business Bureau
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If anybody is gonna get banned. It's gonna be me. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/105486.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/105486.page GMT
All in all I am glad someone had faith in Spore because I didn't. I dismissed the game ages ago as a failed concept that would never work. The game itself could be expanded in so many ways. The simulations and detail levels in the game are great. I love exploring the universe and seeing all it has to offer. When Spore was just an idea I had a command and conquer game in my brain with hyrbid animals running around fighting. I am glad the concept evolved into what it is now. It's just what I needed an original strategy game.

Now I hate the way EA handles DRM and patching of course and the PC in general these days is sucking because of it but as a game Spore is worth the purchase and I hope they continue to add to it like they did the Sims. The already announced expansion is great and all but seems hardly worth the price. Would be nice to see larger expansion with more value. Cute and Creepy is something I would give away to my customer for halloween for free. Give us decoration creators, flora creators, expand the space stage and give us CO-OP play.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/105523.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/105523.page GMT
{rant}Hmm first spore demo relese player here. Great Purge... Hmm I know a religious thread got canned but great purge? Hell No. Removal of some aussie and certain spammers yes, one flam thread was removed... hmmm Or do you mean the new fourms? DAMMIT ANYWAYS!!!! People were told to copy stuff, annnnd lest I remided some of you that we had a petition going for a very long time. and the mods posted Please save and compile your singitures~ we dont want all your hard work to go to waste, so some mods DO CARE. And Will has even posted. So piss off about securom. I have had no problems with it or drm.{/rantend}

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Your turn is coming, and when you finally do realize the folly of this statement, we will accept you as a brother.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/105632.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/105632.page GMT
Your turn is coming, and when you finally do realize the folly of this statement, we will accept you as a brother.[/quote]

I have set up the missile silo my brothers! We shall worship it while the apes run rampant! We mutants must unite - for we are all DEVO.

Anyways, this DRM thing is just a way to prevent second hand sales. That's all it was, that's all it ever will be. It kills the resale value, and forces folks to just bite the bullet. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/105653.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/105653.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/105654.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/105654.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/105687.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/105687.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/106962.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/106962.page GMT
[quote] * Gamers shall have the right to return games that don't work with their computers for a full refund.
* Gamers shall have the right to demand that games be released in a finished state.
* Gamers shall have the right to expect meaningful updates after a game's release.
* Gamers shall have the right to demand that download managers and updaters not force themselves to run or be forced to load in order to play a game.
* Gamers shall have the right to expect that the minimum requirements for a game will mean that the game will play adequately on that computer.
* Gamers shall have the right to expect that games won't install hidden drivers or other potentially harmful software without their consent.
* Gamers shall have the right to re-download the latest versions of the games they own at any time.
* Gamers shall have the right to not be treated as potential criminals by developers or publishers.
* Gamers shall have the right to demand that a single-player game not force them to be connected to the Internet every time they wish to play.
* Gamers shall have the right that games which are installed to the hard drive shall not require a CD/DVD to remain in the drive to play.[/quote]

This is a tactic That will work!!! I for one have never heard of stardock... nor would I even have thought it different than any other company. Now because of this, I AM GOING TO BUY ALL OF THEIR OFFERINGS, whether I play them or not! I FULLY support this just way of thinking.



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]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/107004.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/107004.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/107635.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/107635.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/107999.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/107999.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108049.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108049.page GMT See this thread for a detail of how we were misled about spore
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/8654.page

View the videos for yourself here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8372603330420559198&ei=K3_5SIqnJ4mwrQLlo4TqDg&q=spore
and
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-394434397798392775&ei=Wn_5SNSAIJycrAK9oozNCg&q=spore

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/b][/color][/size]
What you have installed on ur system [/quote]

As unpopular a statement as this is going to be, people need to stop parroting around a 3+ year old demo video as proof of "marketing deception", "false advertising", or "lies". No promises are made showing a conceptual demo like that, and it's not official marketing material either. If they started showing these videos as part of the official marketing videos/commericals to sell this game, then yeah you'd have a point, but they weren't. The only commericals I saw officially advertising the game were truthful.

Also, I'm not an EA fanboy - I play(ed) Ultima Online, and they'll never have my forgiveness ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108125.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108125.page GMT See this thread for a detail of how we were misled about spore
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/8654.page

View the videos for yourself here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8372603330420559198&ei=K3_5SIqnJ4mwrQLlo4TqDg&q=spore
and
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-394434397798392775&ei=Wn_5SNSAIJycrAK9oozNCg&q=spore

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/b][/color][/size]
What you have installed on ur system [/quote]

As unpopular a statement as this is going to be, people need to stop parroting around a 3+ year old demo video as proof of "marketing deception", "false advertising", or "lies". No promises are made showing a conceptual demo like that, and it's not official marketing material either. If they started showing these videos as part of the official marketing videos/commericals to sell this game, then yeah you'd have a point, but they weren't. The only commericals I saw officially advertising the game were truthful.

Also, I'm not an EA fanboy - I play(ed) Ultima Online, and they'll never have my forgiveness [/quote]

The second video is less than 3 years old..... And I couldn't find the video for last years (if anybody has a link to it, please send it to me).

If Maxis had demo'd spore by saying it was a conceptual demo, then you'd be correct. However, will wright did the opposite, he stated it was what he had made. I agree that it is not official marketing material.... but anyone who follows games and E3 knows that whatever u demo at E3 receives "free" promotion (it's why developers go and demo their stuff, its not to show others how to copy they're work, its to get the free publicity from the media and word of mouth).

Maxis/EA could have issued "take down" notices to google to have the video's removed, but they didnt. Can u tell me why that is? Because they knew that these videos were creating a hype. They played us like a fiddle, and your quoting semantics

I appreciate your oppinion, and respect your right to voice it. I simply disagree with a couple points u made, I hope you understand.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108154.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108154.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108407.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108407.page GMT
So, i've been thinking about EA's recent moves, and have come up with a possible theory... First, the facts -

[list]EA will make the EADM required in all future games.[/list]
[list]SecuROM requires a "phone home" re-authentication every 10 days or your game stops working.[/list]
[list]EA has begun implementing in-game advertising.[/list]

Our buddy Johnny has said he's going to implement in-game advertising in the near future so he can make more money. Johnny needs to make sure that the infrastructure for such a system exists before rolling the program out. Johnny knows that people don't want advertisements in their games, and if he moves to fast, he'll loose everything.

Under the guise of "piracy", Johnny installs SecuROM on all his players systems. To make sure players sign on to download new advertisements for their games, he makes sure your game becomes unplayable after 10 days offline. Johnny knows that this is probably the hardest hurdle to cross over, so he picks the game title most likely to penetrate the market. Johnny chooses Spore, knowing many want this game and it's backed by one of the industry leaders, Will Wright.

Johnny was prepared for the backlash against SecuROM, it's his most necessary component to success. Johnny began a dehumanizing campaign against those who opposed SecuROM by labeling them Pirates. He hopes this strategy will divide the players as they squabble against themselves, distracting them from the big picture. To hide the EADM, Johnny chooses the best practice, hide it in plain sight.

EADM is released with SecuROM and goes largely unnoticed. All the while the EADM is downloading content into players games. Little does anyone know, that this same EADM will be the source for all future advertisements. By tying EADM into the game, Johnny ensures that players cannot block out the advertisements without damaging their game. The second piece of the plan is put in place, quietly and successfully.

Johnny's still worried that if players succeed in damaging the most critical component, the SecuROM, his entire plan falls. So he plows over his opposition by releasing 2 blockbuster hits into the market, both carrying his advertisement dreams. Sims 3 and Red Alert 2 are both poised to be downloaded and installed on millions of computers world wide. Johnny thinks to himself, there's no way anyone could stop 3 trains.

[i]One Year Later[/i]

Johnny's plan was a huge success. He now has advertisements running in all games and millions of extra dollars rolling in ever 2 weeks. Johnny smiles to himself as he mulls over his genius.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108899.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108899.page GMT You forget that the majority of EA's revenue is from the console platforms. They could drop PC development and still function very profitably.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108916.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108916.page GMT You forget that the majority of EA's revenue is from the console platforms. They could drop PC development and still function very profitably.[/quote]

Console games are not immune and will be EA's next target for advertising. Besides, EA wouldn't dare drop development for the PC. Doing so would hand over the market to companies like Firaxis and Stardock who would quickly take control. Once they got the reigns of the PC market, they would then penetrate the last refuge of EA, the console.

Don't buy in to EA's bluff, leaving the PC/Mac would destroy them.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108920.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108920.page GMT You forget that the majority of EA's revenue is from the console platforms. They could drop PC development and still function very profitably.[/quote]

Console games are not immune and will be EA's next target. Besides, EA wouldn't dare drop development for the PC. Doing so would hand over the market to companies like Firaxis and Stardock who would quickly take control. Once they got the reigns of the PC market, they would then penetrate the last refuge of EA, the console.

Don't buy in to EA's bluff, leaving the PC/Mac would destroy them.[/quote]

I respect your opinion obviously. But EA own most (if not all) of the major sports title franchises. One of the top console categories. They are also a major publisher for games they haven't commissioned.

Then of course there is the fact you've seen through to my fondest wish.... that the PC market becomes controlled by the smaller companies . You know, the ones who aren't afraid to innovate ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108929.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108929.page GMT You forget that the majority of EA's revenue is from the console platforms. They could drop PC development and still function very profitably.[/quote]

Console games are not immune and will be EA's next target. Besides, EA wouldn't dare drop development for the PC. Doing so would hand over the market to companies like Firaxis and Stardock who would quickly take control. Once they got the reigns of the PC market, they would then penetrate the last refuge of EA, the console.

Don't buy in to EA's bluff, leaving the PC/Mac would destroy them.[/quote]

Don't forget Activision-Blizzard (Vivendi) and Valve (while EA is their console publisher, Valve is still technically independent.)

Heck, I'd argue that were it not for WoW, Stardock and Valve would easily dominate the PC gaming world if EA called it quits.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108931.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108931.page GMT
@ EdCase512 - Innovation is desperately needed. Its a shame EA had to interfere with Spore's development. I wonder how it would have turned out had Maxis never joined with EA.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108956.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/108956.page GMT
You covered your opinions with factual information.

However, you failed at the following points:

You did not cover the side of what SPORE actually delievered, and if some of the changes were for the better. If you had shown us that, we could better make an assumption on who's side to take. In critical thinking, it's not to change or sway someone's mind, but to show factual information covering your opinions.

You verbally assualted EA several times (Ad hominim - Attacks against the person, not their reasoning)

You used emotionally loaded words ("EA is the [b]MOST HATED [/b]developer!") Also, that is an opinion, and even if there are many sites against EA, it's not an absolute statement. There is no way to prove that, since the only method of collecting that data is through a survey, which is a completely unrealiable way of measuring data.

From your other posts, I see that you have a biased opinion against EA. This lowers the integrety of argument, since it tends to fuel it also.

You throw up "Straw-Man" Arguments to divert attention away from the flaws. ("[b]Conspiracy[/b]"). By definiton, a "Straw-Man" argument is a false issue/question set up to divert attention away from the current issue/question.

Like I said above, I feel you did a good job with the information part, but I hope that others aren't swayed to your side without actually thinking about the information you give without researching both sides of the issue.

Remmeber - "What is written/heard/said/seen etc. is no more important than what is unwritten/unheard/unsaid/unseen etc."]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109001.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109001.page GMT You forget that the majority of EA's revenue is from the console platforms. They could drop PC development and still function very profitably.[/quote]

That all depends on exactly what would happen as a direct result of that. I'm sure the hardware manufactures would have something to say.. and so would the fans. Besides, that would be fine with me. EA *should* DROP OUT of PC .. LEAVE it for companies who are worthy to hold the position. That would in fact save computing at this point. In my humble opinion of course.

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109015.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109015.page GMT
You covered your opinions with factual information.[/quote]

I appreciate your sentiments, thank you

[quote]However, you failed at the following points:

You did not cover the side of what SPORE actually delievered, and if some of the changes were for the better. If you had shown us that, we could better make an assumption on who's side to take. In critical thinking, it's not to change or sway someone's mind, but to show factual information covering your opinions.[/quote]

This would depend upon the intent of the message. The intent here is to show the dishonesty reflected by EA. If I were doing a comparative article, then it would be prudent to weigh both opinions to the changes.

[quote]You verbally assaulted EA several times (Ad hominim - Attacks against the person, not their reasoning)[/quote]

Your right I have bombarded them with much unpleasantness. But you have to admit, they made their bed, I'm simply forcing them to lay in it.

[quote]You used emotionally loaded words ("EA is the [b]MOST HATED [/b]developer!") Also, that is an opinion, and even if there are many sites against EA, it's not an absolute statement. There is no way to prove that, since the only method of collecting that data is through a survey, which is a completely unrealiable way of measuring data.[/quote]

Emotionally loaded? Eh, I think thats a bit of a stretch. But it is necessary to reflect the opposition to EA's assertion that their customers largely defend them. Also, the words "hate ea" are prevalent to the proof, as the statement is backed up by google.

[quote]From your other posts, I see that you have a biased opinion against EA. This lowers the integrety of argument, since it tends to fuel it also.[/quote]

Noone can fully escape bias. However EA tries to falsely make itself out to be the victim, when infact it is the predator. But yes, I make my intentions very clear, unlike EA... I would think that would display more honesty on my part.

[quote]You throw up "Straw-Man" Arguments to divert attention away from the flaws. ("[b]Conspiracy[/b]"). By definiton, a "Straw-Man" argument is a false issue/question set up to divert attention away from the current issue/question.[/quote]

I did my best to divide the "theory" from the rest of the message, and to make it perfectly clear that there is no proof to back up the assertion. All the same tho, it is plausible and offers an explanation to EA's true reasoning behind its recent decisions.

[quote]Like I said above, I feel you did a good job with the information part, but I hope that others aren't swayed to your side without actually thinking about the information you give without researching both sides of the issue.

Remmeber - "What is written/heard/said/seen etc. is no more important than what is unwritten/unheard/unsaid/unseen etc."[/quote]

Again thank you, and it never hurts to reassess one's strategy. I appreciate your time and thoughtful analysis.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109035.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109035.page GMT You forget that the majority of EA's revenue is from the console platforms. They could drop PC development and still function very profitably.[/quote]

That all depends on exactly what would happen as a direct result of that. I'm sure the hardware manufactures would have something to say.. and so would the fans. Besides, that would be fine with me. EA *should* DROP OUT of PC .. LEAVE it for companies who are worthy to hold the position. That would in fact save computing at this point. In my humble opinion of course.

[/quote]

Frankly, I've been using computers since before there was a games "industry". The first personal computer I owned for games was the Sinclair ZX80 ( in the Uk..live in the States now but I am English by birth and nationality).

I've grown up with the games, sadly the industry is now , has been for a while actually, stagnant. The same titles get churned out year after year using the same formula.

Spore was supposed to break the mold. As I've said before "science spore" meh.. I wanted genre breaking Spore.

I wanted the new Populous, the new Elite, the new Dune...the new anything quite frankly. I wanted the game that broke the mold.

I got...an engine...creators...and the tiniest bit of hope that someone would take up the challenge and actually create a new genre, or at least a genre breaking game.
Back to Civ: Colonization for me for now, with fond memories of the original, I guess.
Here's hoping Bethesda didn't manage to screw up the Fallout franchise also.
Meanwhile Stardock,Matrix etc will continue to receive the lions share of my not inconsiderable "play" cash.

As for hardware manufacturers. maybe it would give them the oppotunity to actually code drivers that are efficient, produce hardware that actually USES it's capabilities.

Addendum : I'll add hardware is not really an issue for me. Without false modesty I'll tell you my "rig" cost me $7000 approx to to purchase the parts and my time to assemble it. I'm a mature affluent gamer . EA should be bending over backwards for my business.

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109095.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109095.page GMT You forget that the majority of EA's revenue is from the console platforms. They could drop PC development and still function very profitably.[/quote]

That all depends on exactly what would happen as a direct result of that. I'm sure the hardware manufactures would have something to say.. and so would the fans. Besides, that would be fine with me. EA *should* DROP OUT of PC .. LEAVE it for companies who are worthy to hold the position. That would in fact save computing at this point. In my humble opinion of course.

[/quote]

Frankly, I've been using computers since before there was a games "industry". The first personal computer I owned for games was the Sinclair ZX80 ( in the Uk..live in the States now but I am English by birth and nationality).

I've grown up with the games, sadly the industry is now , has been for a while actually, stagnant. The same titles get churned out year after year using the same formula.

Spore was supposed to break the mold. As I've said before "science spore" meh.. I wanted genre breaking Spore.

I wanted the new Populous, the new Elite, the new Dune...the new anything quite frankly. I wanted the game that broke the mold.

I got...an engine...creators...and the tiniest bit of hope that someone would take up the challenge and actually create a new genre, or at least a genre breaking game.
Back to Civ: Colonization for me for now, with fond memories of the original, I guess.
Here's hoping Bethesda didn't manage to screw up the Fallout franchise also.
Meanwhile Stardock,Matrix etc will continue to receive the lions share of my not inconsiderable "play" cash.

As for hardware manufacturers. maybe it would give them the oppotunity to actually code drivers that are efficient, produce hardware that actually USES it's capabilities.

Addendum : I'll add hardware is not really an issue for me. Without false modesty I'll tell you my "rig" cost me $7000 approx to to purchase the parts and my time to assemble it. I'm a mature affluent gamer . EA should be bending over backwards for my business.

[/quote]

Coincidentally my first computer was The Timex Sinclair 1000 US version of the Z80 I think and it has been a love affair ever since, well till now... Its funny though, you pretty much mirror everything that I've said in the past on this forum.. and pretty much in my thoughts. Well met Its nice to know that I'm not alone with my views.
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@ everyone else -

My first computer was a 386/486 turbo (it had a button to switch between 386 and 486). My first game was wolfenstein 3D... I was 7 or 8 at the time and got hooked on games. Hell, I even loved the SPORE ass game "Outpost" by sierra, LOL. It's what got me hooked onto strategy games. From there I lived for games like civilization, sim city, colonization, deadlock, masters of orion, etc.

They really don't make quality games like they used too.... (ok ok, deadlock wasn't quality, but it still entertained me for about a year.)]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109145.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109145.page GMT
LIE: All people are unhappy with Spore and have major issues with it.

TRUTH: There are people who like this Spore just fine (the demonstration-version Spore would be nice as a seperate release), and have NO aesthetic or technical issues with it.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109177.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109177.page GMT
LIE: All people are unhappy with Spore and have major issues with it.

TRUTH: There are people who like this Spore just fine (the demonstration-version Spore would be nice as a seperate release), and have NO aesthetic or technical issues with it.[/quote]

added XD]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109186.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109186.page GMT
LIE: All people are unhappy with Spore and have major issues with it.

TRUTH: There are people who like this Spore just fine (the demonstration-version Spore would be nice as a seperate release), and have NO aesthetic or technical issues with it.[/quote]

You speak the truth, and I commend you for being one of those that enjoy it (assuming, from your post, that you do)

Honestly, I have had a few Issues with the game in the beginning (CTD, BLACK SCREEN) after patch one they largely went away, a few still plagued me. I've not played much into patch 2 to really make any claims as to the stability of the software. Thats not really the issue. I've enjoyed the game, thats the point. I'm not a hater of it that is for sure, its kept me amused.

Then again I'm one of those people that think the price of content is a blatant grab at money.

Where do I fit into this Truth I would have to ask..... I LOVE the game,love the concept... love MAXIS, yet dislike EA, for reasons I've already hashed a million times already.

There are people that adore it... there are people that hate it... Whats left out are the million steps between those two extremes. I doubt there is a single person here that has absolutely NO issues with the game at all. If in fact there were no issues, the game would be perfect, and we all know that there is NOTHING that's perfect on this planet. I do know that this particular truth/lie is about the 2005 video, so to a great degree what I've said in this post is irrelevant.

The point is, however, that there's that grey area, for one reason or another, that encompass a large amount of people. I sit in that grey area... like I said.. I love the game, love the concept, love maxis, but dislike what EA has done.

EDIT: At least you have the guts to post despite flames.. .. and I certainly hope you don't think this is anything like a flame. If it comes across like that.. thats not my intention. I assure you.
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Nope that was fine reply. My definition of flame here is when people claim I'm an EA or maxis employee (or my wife is) which is just plain silly, because I don't work - college student - and I'm an unmarried young woman. Lmao Nah, that was a fine reply. I see the issues here, and some of them I can totally agree with, but well - I'm one of the people in my truth part who likes Spore and has no issues with it.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109218.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109218.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109283.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109283.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109885.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109885.page GMT
My question is: How are they going to patch the DVD-ROM sitting on my shelf so that it doesn't require validation against an EA/Maxis server that no longer exists?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109897.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109897.page GMT
http://www.siliconvalley.com/news/ci_10402373

Given the sales of Spore, EA is hurting.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109916.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/109916.page GMT
http://www.siliconvalley.com/news/ci_10402373

Given the sales of Spore, EA is hurting.[/quote]

interesting read, thank you]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/110367.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/110367.page GMT
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqwFnyxu-OA[/youtube]]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/110423.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/110423.page GMT
Eventually turning out to be "one month".
Just for cosmetic advancements mind you.
Ah EA, you surpass everyone's expectations for sheer, unadulterated greed.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/110434.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/110434.page GMT
Eventually turning out to be "one month".
Just for cosmetic advancements mind you.
Ah EA, you surpass everyone's expectations for sheer, unadulterated greed.[/quote]

What a sad sad truth.
Leaving the isseu of being able to afford it out.

EA is doing a fine job shredding every aspect of this game.
I am starting to get convinced that the only way to turn this into something good is to revert to SWG-Pre NCU tactics.
If you know what I am talking about I will drop but one word: SWG:ANH]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/110447.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/110447.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/110637.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/110637.page GMT
LIE: All people are unhappy with Spore and have major issues with it.

TRUTH: There are people who like this Spore just fine (the demonstration-version Spore would be nice as a seperate release), and have NO aesthetic or technical issues with it.[/quote]


Flamed for this ? Not hardly.

Spore is an ok game. I "like" it enough that I played with it. It is just another game though. It could/should have been so much more.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/110988.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/110988.page GMT
Anyways, the point is I think nostalgia lies a bit too. I mean, was that moment really THAT SCARY? Mind you the game does create a very good eerie atmosphere and I love it for it. So maybe games aren't as good as they used to be? Maybe they are? Or maybe we just don't think about how our minds really worked that long ago.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/111032.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/111032.page GMT
Anyways, the point is I think nostalgia lies a bit too. I mean, was that moment really THAT SCARY? Mind you the game does create a very good eerie atmosphere and I love it for it. So maybe games aren't as good as they used to be? Maybe they are? Or maybe we just don't think about how our minds really worked that long ago.[/quote]

Nostalgia hmmm. let's not talk conjecture or personal. let's talk complexity.
Cell stage = Pacman (they say it themselves)
Creature stage = fight or dance
Tribal stage= Fight or play music
Civ stage = Fight /convert or buy
Space stage = fight or buy

Lest we forget , you cannot fail I would at least like an option to do so.Your choices are only for appearance sake.

Good ? Good is not the word. Spore was supposed to break the mold. It didn't.

It is simpler than previous Maxis games. For comparison , compare Civilization (original) to Civilization 4 (ignore graphical improvements, eyecandy is not the issue here), then compare SimEarth to Spore.

(No "science spore" fans I'm not a convert now..I want complexity and depth, science based or not)



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I'm not amazed , the simple way would cost them money in the shortrun.. they need to realize that they will make a fortune by keeping customers happy.. instead it feels to me as if I'm in the dark cause of the silence, and I'm with a bunch of muggers (EA) IMHO

Edit for grammar. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/111670.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/111670.page GMT
(No "science spore" fans I'm not a convert now..I want complexity and depth, science based or not)
[/quote]

And thats where you made the mistake.
Who ever told you that the 'science' people want anything other then what you just said ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/111794.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/111794.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/111869.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/111869.page GMT
You are a 100% right.
I have had this thougt in my head but you voiced perfectly what I was feeling
Like we said before, science and cute are not mutually exclusive.
It is true that the 2005 demo is used as this holy grail. It is not, there are very good reasons why they had to change some parts. But on the other hand, some things were held back and it is their right to do so.
Wether or not someone finds this to be evil is irrelevant in the end.


But shamefully, you can't seem to say anything without being torn apart by the extremes on both sides.

But it is true what Ed said. The game is simpler then previous Maxis games. And didn't break the mold as intended.
Or perhaps I am to critical. That is very much possible.
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Sporium is not your (not "ur") goddamn cell phone. Quit treating it like you are texting your bff.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/111897.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/111897.page GMT
Personally , I believe that science and cute could have mixed rather well in this game! ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112256.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112256.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112409.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112409.page GMT
yes, I think they forgot about this grey area, and sided with too much gusto and to the extreme with one aspect of the game.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112443.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112443.page GMT
yes, I think they forgot about this grey area, and sided with too much gusto and to the extreme with one aspect of the game.[/quote]

Very much agreed]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112623.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112623.page GMT
HOWEVER, i am never buying another EA game again. i stayed away from EA for a long time before because of their horrible customer support (passing up bioshock and mass effect) -- and only bought spore because it looked so fun. but if red alert 3 is going to have that horrible DRM, i'm never going to own it. as my friend stated, it only hurts legitimate buyers. what really irks me is that i paid for the galactic edition and i'm treated like a criminal. yet the pirates have no issues at all.

i wonder how long it'll take them to crack RA3?
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112639.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112639.page GMT
HOWEVER, i am never buying another EA game again. i stayed away from EA for a long time before because of their horrible customer support (passing up bioshock and mass effect) -- and only bought spore because it looked so fun. but if red alert 3 is going to have that horrible DRM, i'm never going to own it. as my friend stated, it only hurts legitimate buyers. what really irks me is that i paid for the galactic edition and i'm treated like a criminal. yet the pirates have no issues at all.

i wonder how long it'll take them to crack RA3?
[/quote]

several days before its release..... Just like spore]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112702.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112702.page GMT http://www.sakuafk.com/2008/08/17/yar-a-game-developer-talked-to-pirates/]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112958.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/112958.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/113475.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/113475.page GMT
[quote=Marx83]several days before its release..... Just like spore[/quote]

i wonder how big of a pirated game THAT will be.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/114761.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/114761.page GMT
(No "science spore" fans I'm not a convert now..I want complexity and depth, science based or not)
[/quote]

And thats where you made the mistake.
Who ever told you that the 'science' people want anything other then what you just said [/quote]

For one a certain rocket fuelled female. Repeatedly usually with insults thrown in. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/114781.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/114781.page GMT
Now they're doing it just to piss you off.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/114796.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/114796.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/114805.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/114805.page GMT
@ one star troll....... here's another post for u to 1 star ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/116169.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/116169.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/116725.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/116725.page GMT
In the words of another poster.

LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYY BUUUUUUUUUMPPPKIIIIIIIIINNNNSSSS!!!!

That is all.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/116726.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/116726.page GMT
Oh wait, i get it........ LOL... Nice one ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/116753.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/116753.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/117172.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/117172.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/118210.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/118210.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/118640.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/118640.page GMT [quote=Finnical]This is shameless. I'm actually concerned about being able to use a product I bought. This is corporate red tape idiocy taken to an extreme degree. This is fraud, not to mention completely ineffective for stopping any kind of pirating.

I refuse to go through that hassle. I'm already two licenses through my meager three. If I use up my licenses, I'll use a pirated copy and never buy from EA again, end of story. I may do it anyway. At least pirates give decent customer service.

You've lost it, EA. Completely. The Sporepedia isn't worth your questionable intent and shameless customer service. These problems we see don't stem from "mistakes were made", they stem from complete failure of priorities and efficiency entrenched in the company from head to foot, CEO to marketing to customer service and beyond. It is clear to me that nothing you say can be trusted until a severe change in the management and business philosophy of the company occurs, or the entire company collapses, and you can take that as a pledge.

Maxis, you need to abandon ship, ASAP. Much to my chagrin that this can even happen in the business world, you will be systematically exploited and destroyed if you do not. Disband and create a new company; I'm afraid this is the least of all evils. Without control of your own direction, your purpose is marred and you will be held on a monorail car directly to failure. As a loyal customer from SimCity to Spore, and an experienced modder one step away from professional game development, I implore you; break off from EA and cut your losses.

I never see any situation as simply black and white; to me, it is all shades of gray. However, this situation has blackened to the point where any shade left is negligible. I'm not even sure the brilliance of Maxis can bring me to ignore these insulting policies by EA anymore. In my complex life, I don't have time to jump through these hoops to prove my legitimacy anymore, there are just too many. I am tired of EA expecting us to work for our purchases, and not the other way around. To quote Network: [i]I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take this anymore.[/i]

And EA, if Maxis products have any difficulty selling and begin to not be worth their development cost at any time in the future, I have news for you; It's not them, it's [b]you[/b].[/quote]

A little something to help the cause:
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[/quote]

Your inferior meat-sack mind is not capable of understanding the grand scheme of our great lord EA.

Surrender your rights to EA, and we shall allow you to assimilate with us without incident. Resist, and you will be assimilated in a manner most becoming of your inferior race, Human. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

Praise be to our lord EA.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/121014.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/121014.page GMT
[/quote]

Your inferior meat-sack mind is not capable of understanding the grand scheme of our great lord EA.

Surrender your rights to EA, and we shall allow you to assimilate with us without incident. Resist, and you will be assimilated in a manner most becoming of your inferior race, Human. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

Praise be to our lord EA.[/quote]

A++++

I was going to answer .. I'm glad I didn't now.. fantastic. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/121021.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/121021.page GMT
[/quote]

Your inferior meat-sack mind is not capable of understanding the grand scheme of our great lord EA.

Surrender your rights to EA, and we shall allow you to assimilate with us without incident. Resist, and you will be assimilated in a manner most becoming of your inferior race, Human. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

Praise be to our lord EA.[/quote]
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SecuROM, Space alerts, and Lock Ups! Oh my! O.O

*jumps at another BUMP in the night*]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/122495.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/122495.page GMT
What a complete and utter failure that piece of garbage was. Horrible, and I'm astonished Roper allowed it to be released in the condition it was in.

Unless...

Unless he didn't have any say in the matter.[/quote]
The state of Hellgate: London is entirely the fault of Flagship Studios. EA was contracted at a very late date as a distributor only and after Flagship had already decided internally on a ship date. And for the record, Bill Roper is an overrated hack.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/122544.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/122544.page GMT
And yes, I know it was only published by Maxis... but it is probably one of their funnest non-SimCity titles.

SimCopter was... evil. The glowing nips ... and himbos... gah!]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/122554.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/122554.page GMT And Sim Earth]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/122996.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/122996.page GMT And Sim Earth[/quote]
Streets of Sim City was pretty awesome too. I'd argue it was the best death-racing game ever made.

EA even made a sequel - Sim City 4 Rush Hour Expansion Pack.

Yeah, that game is terrible.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/123021.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/123021.page GMT And Sim Earth[/quote]
Streets of Sim City was pretty awesome too. I'd argue it was the best death-racing game ever made.

EA even made a sequel - Sim City 4 Rush Hour Expansion Pack.

Yeah, that game is terrible.[/quote]

I think it would have been alright, had they gotten it to work right.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/123468.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/123468.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/124179.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/124179.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/124621.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/124621.page GMT
if Maxis isn´t smart enough to try and satisfy their playerbase, they´ll just go down with that ship


they underestimated their customer´s intelligence, by dumbing-down the game, and breaking it up to sell it to us in pieces (aka expansions)... that´s a MAJOR foul in ANY line of business....

no wonder it´s going downhill

[/quote]

Even when I was 6 or 7 I could tell that easpansions were just to get more of your money. Everyone knows that if you sell some that has lots of things to it that if you sold stuff seperatly you would get more money. That is what maxis does but there is a good thing. They release the game earlyer and can keep on making big updates. They can get alot of money from exspansions but mabey not so much now.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/124918.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/124918.page GMT
How so? It was all over the news running up to the game's release. You're telling me that you never saw this coming?

This is why I have to figure that the lawsuit against EA will fail. If EA really "snuck SecuROM in," how are the plaintiffs going to explain all the media attention it was given before the game actually shipped?[/quote]

I would testify as somebody who does no surf game boards, that I had no idea what secuROM or DRM was until I started on the forums here! Just because a bunch of peoply hype it up, doesn't mean everybody knew. I certainly didn't.[/quote]

Same here I didnt even know what they standed for at first]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/124923.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/124923.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/124924.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/124924.page GMT
we can only hope]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/125478.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/125478.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/125714.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/125714.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/128308.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/128308.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/128956.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/128956.page GMT
Welp, I've asked Maxis/EA a very important question (about witholding content)... Let's all hope that they respond.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/129269.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/129269.page GMT
What I don't understand though, is the rabble rabble. I've been disappointed in computer games before, which I didn't like for some reason or another. MOO3 (awful), Oblivion (too XboXy though it was fixed by mods), Fallout Tactics (took a 76 meg patch back when that was bandwidth just to play out of the box), to name a few.

Anyone who wasn't a hard core sims player hoped spore would be more, its not, they know we are not happy, but let it die. EA isn't going to stop being EA because you post you don't like them being EA, they will stop being EA when they stop making money doing what they are doing.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/129335.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/129335.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/129876.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/129876.page GMT
What I don't understand though, is the rabble rabble. I've been disappointed in computer games before, which I didn't like for some reason or another. MOO3 (awful), Oblivion (too XboXy though it was fixed by mods), Fallout Tactics (took a 76 meg patch back when that was bandwidth just to play out of the box), to name a few.

Anyone who wasn't a hard core sims player hoped spore would be more, its not, they know we are not happy, but let it die. EA isn't going to stop being EA because you post you don't like them being EA, they will stop being EA when they stop making money doing what they are doing.
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At least the posts are read by other people... if not by EA.. ...

There is no reason for me to let it die.. personally... I've put up with a lot in the past.. but this is the limit. This games execution has been the breaking point for me. Not so much the game really, but the tactics driving it.

Even Will Wright admitted that a lot of stuff was dropped.. cause "they were not working correctly" [German Interview]. So why is this game 50 bucks if most of it was admittedly ripped out of it. Should have been 30 bucks most. Or even FREE, because it really seems like an engine with not much integrated into it. Even Mr. Wright just about admitted that he even wants to go into the Chinese or Asian[not sure which] way of doing things.. Free Engines, then pay for the rest of the game. I admit I forgot where I heard this, but I assure you its true. So why couldn't spore have been free. Instead they charged 9.99 for the creature creature (an already integrated part of the official game). Then 50 bucks for the game.. Now they want double what its worth for the first addon pack. I equate this to PURE GREED... simple as that..in my humble opinion.

If this game was selling like it should have sold... I doubt that they would be laying off employees, they say its because of the holidays. I say that their business is quite good around the holidays, there is NO need to lay off employees

The fact is they would be swimming around in money, had this been executed correctly, instead of the greedy way. In my humble opinion.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind getting the engine free, then paying for the game in pieces. Seem to be paying for the groundwork and double for the pieces as it is. Though the free engine would have actually surprised me... I would have been like ... wow.. SURE I'll pay for whatever content I want. WOW. that was nice of them.

Instead what I got was silence and cover up and bait and switch schemes.... at a high price, I may add. I even dread having to call tech support in the event that I need to. Literally afraid to.


The market model they are pulling, is charge them for the groundwork, and rape them later with the actual game. Not only that but charging you for a piece of the game a few weeks early. When, if what Will Wright told me about the Asian or Chinese market (not sure which at this point) in one of his interviews...this game should have been free...... if they intend on overcharging for content that should have been in this game in the first place, judging from all the videos and ads and old interviews.

I have been dissapointed at a lot of other games in my very large collection, but never, and I mean never have I been dissapointed to this degree...

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Spore has disappointed me severely, to the point where I might just end up pirating Sims 3. (Actually I would have probably pirated Sims 3 out of spite anyway, but now I have a rationale ^_^ )

The greatest creative potential to ever appear in a game was shown to people at E3 just a few years back. It was the most amazing idea ever created by Will Wright. And guess what? EA waters it down and crushes it.

I can't really blame Maxis, since it IS a smaller company. I'm more irritated at EA since they seem to be the intelligent ones who decided to add a piece of spyware to the very heart of the computer operating system. I cannot bring myself to think that Maxis voluntarily went to EA unless it really had no choice to. After all, it created The Sims and the SimCitys, which were amazing hits. After Sims 2 though, it just went downhill. Heck, the base game of Sims 2 and even up to Nightlife was tolerable, but then soon the ideas and creativity of the expansions deteriorated severely. (Apartments? Seriously? It's really the consumers who are idiots if they decide to pay 40-50 bucks for [i]apartments[/i].)

Spore killed all faith I had in EA. Of course, they can't care less. I'm a single consumer when thousands are buying their products every day. But I'm determined to pirate Sims 3 out of protest. And they can't do a thing about it. SecuROM is a joke. It can't even hold back pirates for three hours. In fact, the harder they try to make DRM, the harder pirates will try to crack it. They see it as a [i]game[/i], for goodness sakes. Don't you see that, EA? They're PLAYING with you. And you're losing like crazy.

And I'll laugh like crazy, for days on end, when EA collapses. But it's unlikely that such a thing will happen for a while.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/129963.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/129963.page GMT
Honestly, I'm beginning to wonder if I should make an honest man of him....]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/129992.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/129992.page GMT
[url]http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=367&threadid=100730&enterthread=y[/url]

Thankfully, in light of this thread, there was another company that took over development of that Genre. THANKFULLY.... a company that looks to be quite genuine... and true... blogs.. and videos... hopefully the game comes out BETTER than those videos. Though as it stands it looks quite good. Hope they don't pull a Spore and switch.. I doubt they will.

I believe the same thing will happen in Spore as it did for Societies... if they choose to ignore their customers much longer. In my humble opinion.

EDIT : I stopped by the SimCity forums.. and they are a ghost town.. swearing and everything.. noones even watching it anymore.. apparently. Generally everyone there believes the project abandoned.

That sucks .. cause I spent 50 bucks on that game. 5 Patches, then they canned it. Not nice.



]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/130018.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/130018.page GMT
[url]http://www.simtropolis.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=367&threadid=100730&enterthread=y[/url]

Thankfully, in light of this thread, there was another company that took over development of that Genre. THANKFULLY.... a company that looks to be quite genuine... and true... blogs.. and videos... hopefully the game comes out BETTER than those videos. Though as it stands it looks quite good. Hope they don't pull a Spore and switch.. I doubt they will.

I believe the same thing will happen in Spore as it did for Societies... if they choose to ignore their customers much longer. In my humble opinion.

EDIT : I stopped by the SimCity forums.. and they are a ghost town.. swearing and everything.. noones even watching it anymore.. apparently. Generally everyone there believes the project abandoned.

That sucks .. cause I spent 50 bucks on that game. 5 Patches, then they canned it. Not nice.



[/quote]

Thank you for letting me know about CitiesXL.

Thank you thank you thank you.

Free at last, free at last! Good God, I am free at last! That's the next game I buy - two weeks after release and seeing opinion of it first.
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With any luck we'll see Indie developers come back to the spotlight. "glamor" dont mean squat if the gameplay is rotten.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/130935.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/130935.page GMT

With any luck we'll see Indie developers come back to the spotlight. "glamor" dont mean squat if the gameplay is rotten.[/quote]


That is the trend I've seen in a lot of current games... nice body, no guts.. or .. beautiful on the outside, ugly on the inside.

I have my hopes that Cities will not be like that.... This is their chance to do it right, lets see what happens.

I have extremely high hopes.

Honestly I was expecting the newest in the simcity series to do what sims 2 did to sims 1. Turn all of that wonderful city into 3d. Instead they changed it to Kid-D.

What I do not understand with Societies.. they still sell it as part of the BOX set.. yet its unsupported. I feel bad for whoever thinks they are getting a good deal with that pack.


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[/quote]

Welp, its being released by a french company..... And the french are all about "rights", so I bet it wont be loaded full of spyware. As to the quality of the game?? I'm cautiously optimistic ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134384.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134384.page GMT [quote=Marx83]Hehehe..... evil bump[/quote]
[quote=Marx83]giddy bump [/quote]

Three bumps in a row? Your really searching for attention aren't you?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134387.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134387.page GMT

p.s. Thanks for the bump ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134402.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134402.page GMT
And how f***ing dare ANYONE make fun of EA AFTER ALL SHE'S BEEN THROUGH
She lost her aunt, she went through a divorce. She had 2 f****ng kids, her husband turned out to be a user and cheater and now she's going through a custody battle.
ALL YOU PEOPLE CARE ABOUT IS READERS AND MAKING MONEY OFF OF HER
SHE'S A HUMAN]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134427.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134427.page GMT
And how f***ing dare ANYONE make fun of EA AFTER ALL SHE'S BEEN THROUGH
She lost her aunt, she went through a divorce. She had 2 f****ng kids, her husband turned out to be a user and cheater and now she's going through a custody battle.
ALL YOU PEOPLE CARE ABOUT IS READERS AND MAKING MONEY OFF OF HER
SHE'S A HUMAN[/quote]

say what?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134437.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134437.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134438.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134438.page GMT Guess Iw on't be buying Sims3 either...]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134485.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134485.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134517.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134517.page GMT
By stealing them.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134578.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134578.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134639.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134639.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134725.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134725.page GMT
And how f***ing dare ANYONE make fun of EA AFTER ALL SHE'S BEEN THROUGH
She lost her aunt, she went through a divorce. She had 2 f****ng kids, her husband turned out to be a user and cheater and now she's going through a custody battle.
ALL YOU PEOPLE CARE ABOUT IS READERS AND MAKING MONEY OFF OF HER
SHE'S A HUMAN[/quote]


hahahahaha.......]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134730.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134730.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134733.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134733.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/10083.page regarding EA's deception of the scientific community]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134816.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/134816.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/135561.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/135561.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/135872.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/135872.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136301.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136301.page GMT

As for the post and pic, look on youtube for britney spears. You'll see that guy (yes its a guy regardless of how girlish he looks) ranting and bawling about how its not her fault she's such a screw up Replace Britney spears with spore and the analogy is rather disturbing ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136313.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136313.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136398.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136398.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136402.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136402.page GMT
And here I thought u didn't have a sense of humor Howdy buddy]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136410.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136410.page GMT

As for the post and pic, look on youtube for britney spears. You'll see that guy (yes its a guy regardless of how girlish he looks) ranting and bawling about how its not her fault she's such a screw up Replace Britney spears with spore and the analogy is rather disturbing [/quote]

gaining what? It needs to be read... I think that most of the things that are going to be said, have been already!

Wiffle Ball bat.. hahahha.. I like it.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136414.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136414.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136420.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136420.page GMT “I think that, in general, a year and a half ago EA was pretty well hated -- and I think for good reasons," he says. "Today, you’d be hard pressed to go to a forum and not see a lot of people defending EA and its products.” ~ EA CEO
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20655

TRUTH
You've got to be kidding!! EA is the MOST HATED developer! just google "hate EA"[/quote]

ROFL EA is hated, I'll give you that, but not even close to the hate for SOE that people have. EA hasn't taken a Star Wars based franchise and destroyed it...YET.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136466.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136466.page GMT
Yet, Devs are still working on Planetside, just as they are here on Spore. The difference is that Planetside was inherently awesome, had super gameplay, and held me in its grasp for a whole year of play before I had to cancel.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136686.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/136686.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/137343.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/137343.page GMT
• Bump threads judiciously. If a thread has no new posts since the last bump, please don't bump it again.

Marx83, please do not bump this thread.
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• Bump threads judiciously. If a thread has no new posts since the last bump, please don't bump it again.

Marx83, please do not bump this thread.
[/quote]

I was wondering how long it would take for you to turn into Hermann Goering. Do you take pleasure in denying others free speach??]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/137910.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/137910.page GMT
• Bump threads judiciously. If a thread has no new posts since the last bump, please don't bump it again.

Marx83, please do not bump this thread.
[/quote]

I was wondering how long it would take for you to turn into Hermann Goering. Do you take pleasure in denying others free speach??[/quote]

There's nothing wrong with that rule. In fact, it's a SPORE good idea; threads move up and down fast enough as it is without people bumping dying threads every 5 seconds. Just refresh the "Recent Topics" a few times and you'll see. If you want people to read this, make it more obvious in your signature.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/137919.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/137919.page GMT
[size=16][b]Keeping Them Honest![/b][/size]

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
EA/Maxis lied to the National Geographic

[i] they had been led to believe that the interviews were for a straight documentary about "developmental evolutionary" science[/i]
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/322/5901/531b

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
[i] "I was used," says Neil Shubin, a paleontologist at the University of Chicago in Illinois, who worries that science has been "hijacked" to promote a product.[/i]
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/322/5901/531b
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/10083.page
~ Thank you Poetry

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
All people are unhappy with Spore and have major issues with it.

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
There are people who like this Spore just fine (the demonstration-version Spore would be nice as a seperate release), and have NO aesthetic or technical issues with it.
~ hmspepper

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
Install limit increased from 3 to 5. ~ EA
[i]Please Note: This is merely a "half-truth" as not everyone who purchased spore is getting 5 installs ~ See Below[/i]

[size=14][b][COLOR=GREEN]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
[quote= Dairuka][i]The total installation attempts on the first batch of games released in the month of September have a total of 3 installations. Any other versions of the game released have a total of 5 installations, leaving those of us suckers who bought the game early, SOL. [/i][/quote]
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
Legitimate users can easily achieve new activations if they run out. ~ Public Misconception

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
If you believe that, read this...
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page

Thanks Dairuka

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i] Spore Begins With a Big Bang! One Million Games Sold and 25 Million Creations Uploaded[/i]
http://www.ea.com/read/20080924-sporemillion.xml

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
[i]Spore realised sales of 406K units[/i]
http://www.pcworld.com/article/152396/npd_xbox_360_soars_past_ps3_in_september_sales.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081017-september-npd-numbers-star-wars-trumps-flagging-us-economy.html

The claim of 25 Million Creations is also greatly exaggerated. Spore uploads every variation of a single creation, add a hat to ur creature, new creation uploaded. ~ Thanks RedLightning777

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i]“I think that, in general, a year and a half ago EA was pretty well hated -- and I think for good reasons," he says. [b]"Today, you’d be hard pressed to go to a forum and not see a lot of people defending EA and its products.”[/b] [/i] ~ EA CEO
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20655

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
You've got to be kidding!! EA is the MOST HATED developer! just google "hate EA"

[size=14][b][color=red]STRAIGHT LIES[/color][/b][/size]
[i] EA: Piracy didn't hurt 'Spore' sales[/i]
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10054438-62.html

[i]"Stepping aside from the whole issue of DRM, people need to recognize that every BitTorrent download doesn’t represent a successful copy of a game, let alone a lost sale,"[/i] ~ Mariam Sughayer of EA's corporate communications department
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20424

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
[i] Spore: Most Pirated Game Ever Thanks to DRM[/i]
http://torrentfreak.com/spore-most-pirated-game-ever-thanks-to-drm-080913/

[size=14][b][color=red]LIES FROM THE VIDEOS[/color][/b][/size]
See this thread for a detail of how we were misled about spore
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/8654.page

View the videos for yourself here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8372603330420559198&ei=K3_5SIqnJ4mwrQLlo4TqDg&q=spore
and
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-394434397798392775&ei=Wn_5SNSAIJycrAK9oozNCg&q=spore

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/b][/color][/size]
What you have installed on ur system :(

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/b][/color][/size]
[i]“So far, Spore has outsold Sims 2,” he notes. “Commercially, it’s doing very well.”[/i] ~ EA CEO
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20655

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/b][/color][/size]
[i] the updated list shows [Sims 2] in third with a total 534,000 units sold[/i]
(*Spore realised sales of 406K units*)
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17129

And that figure was ONLY for the year 2007 and did not include previous years!! The release date was September 17, 2004

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i]"...now we’re allowing more authentications and working with players to de-authenticate which makes it more in line like an iTunes."[/i] ~ Will Wright

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
Ummm....... Where's this de-authenticate wonder?? Oh yea, it doesn't exist yet o.0 so how are u allowing it now?

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i]I'm guessing that half of them were pirates, and the other half were people caught up in something that they didn’t understand. If I’d had a chance to have a conversation with them, they’d have gotten it... There are different ways to do DRM; the most successful is what WoW does. They just charge you by the month.[/i] ~ EA CEO
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/10/15/ea-ceo-half-spore-drm-protesters-were-pirates

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
The simple fact of the matter is EA's CEO refused to talk to anyone about Spore's DRM. Even before Spore was released there was a small furor about the SecuROM DRM. At NO TIME did John Riccitiello invite any discussion.

WoW's model is not the only solution to DRM...
see http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170117
and http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/10/02/fallout-3-pc-to-ship-with-simple-drm

The simple fact is that DRM does NOT protect sales or products. It only impedes legitimate users. EA has yet to provide proof to support the contrary, not to mention the common sense to see beyond its greedy nose.

Calling your critical opponents pirates or stupid??? Wow, that's really gotta boost the image of EA.

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i]"I personally don't like DRM. It interrupts the user experience. We would like to get around that. But there is this problem called piracy out there."[/i] ~ EA CEO

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
SecuROM is not necessary to protect sales...

Sins of a Solar Empire by stardock has sold 500,000+ (surpassing SPORE sales) units with minimal DRM!
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20026

SoaSE DRM -
[i]"Here's the basic question that every publisher/gamer/developer could ask: By requiring the CD to be in the drive to play a game, even assuming that protection unbreakable, do you increase your sales?

I ask that because many gamers who are on the fence on a given title won't purchase a game if it requires them to treat their CD like a dongle key. Why? Because let's face it, we lose our CDs eventually. Or we damage them. And so what happens is that people who are on the fence on a given title simply choose not to buy the game.

By not having any CD copy protection, people who are on the fence about our game can see that it's only $40 and once it's installed on their machines (plural) they don't have to fuss with the CD anymore. [b]And we do have a type of copy protection -- free updates for customers."[/b][/i]
http://forums.galciv2.com/107193/page/3/

Thanks to Dairuka for this lead. And Pyrion for the correction.

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
EA would leave the PC development market if it doesn't get its way. ~ Popular Misconception

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
EA wouldn't dare vacate the lucrative PC development sector. EA's shear size and profitability is a direct result of its cross platform portfolio. If EA exited PC/Mac development, it would leave a hole in the market which other developers would quickly and easily fill. By doing so, EA would shoot itself in the foot and threaten its own existence. So what if it's games get pirated, EA will still make millions off of the Advertisements that would be downloaded in the games via the EADM.

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[size=14][b]Other Things You Should Know![/b][/size]

[list]In-game advertising is in ~ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10065899-52.html
[i]"The quick answer is, of course we would partner with them and anybody else who would write us a check."[/i]
[color=green]What about all the customers who write you checks every day?? Aren't they partners?[/color][/list]

[b]In-Game Advertising[/b]
Our games may incorporate dynamic advertisement serving technology offered by Massive Inc. or IGA Worldwide Inc. (“Ad Providers”), which enables advertising to be temporarily uploaded into the game on your PC or console, and replaced while you play online. Ad Providers only log information that is needed to measure presentation of, and serve advertising to the appropriate geographic region, and to the right location within the game. Logged data may include Internet Protocol Address or player’s user name, in game location, length of time an advertisement was visible, size of the advertisements, and angle of view. Your game may be assigned an id number, which is stored on your PC or console, and used by Ad Providers to calculate the number of unique and repeat views of dynamic in game advertising. The id number is not associated with any personal data. No logged information is used to personally identify you. The servers used by the Ad Providers may be located outside your country of residence. If you reside in a Member State of the European Union, the servers may be located outside of the European Union. This ad serving technology is integrated into the game; if you do not want to use this technology, do not play the game while connected to the Internet. For more information concerning Massive Incorporated, please visit http://www.massiveincorporated.com. For more information concerning IGA Worldwide Inc., please visit www.igaworldwide.com.
http://legal.ea.com/legal/legal.jsp?language=en

[list]Sims 3 To Have In-Game Advertising ~ http://industry.bnet.com/advertising/1000252/iga-scores-more-in-game-advertising-for-sims-3/[/list]
[list]What happens when a developer asks pirates "Why?" http://www.sakuafk.com/2008/08/17/yar-a-game-developer-talked-to-pirates/[/list]
[list]Check out the GAMERS BILL OF RIGHTS, championed by Game Developer http://www.stardock.com/about/newsitem.asp?id=1095[/list]
[list][url=http://www.gamepolitics.com/2007/08/16/electronic-arts-creates-revisionist-history-on-the-wikipedia]EA Creates Revisionist History on Wikipedia[/url][/list]
[list][url=http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchresults.asp?q5=Electronic+Arts&Search=Search&q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21]EA's Rip Off Report[/url][/list]
[list][url=http://goldengate.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=99&bbb=1116&firm=64196]EA's Abysmal Record from the Better Business Bureau[/url][/list]
[list]EA/Maxis was asked if they [url=http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/30/10708.page]with held content to sell as expansions[/url]. To date, no response has been given.[/list]

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[i]The following is purely a theory which attempts to explain why EA would push the issue of SecuROM (even tho it knows SecuROM is a failure) and to extrapolate further including EA's stated future plans. Again, please note that this is just a THEORY, albeit a very plausible one.[/i]

[b]Conspiracy [i]Theory[/i][/b]

So, i've been thinking about EA's recent moves, and have come up with a possible theory... First, the facts -

[list]EA will make the EADM required in all future games.[/list]
[list]SecuROM requires a "phone home" re-authentication every 10 days or your game stops working. [color=green]EA has since recinded this requirement, thanks to all the complainers[/color][/list]
[list]EA has begun implementing in-game advertising.[/list]

Our buddy Johnny (EA's CEO John Riccitiello) has said he's going to implement in-game advertising in the near future so he can make more money. Johnny needs to make sure that the infrastructure for such a system exists before rolling the program out. Johnny knows that people don't want advertisements in their games, and if he moves to fast, he'll loose everything.

Under the guise of "piracy", Johnny installs SecuROM on all his players systems. To make sure players sign on to download new advertisements for their games, he makes sure your game becomes unplayable after 10 days offline. Johnny knows that this is probably the hardest hurdle to cross over, so he picks the game title most likely to penetrate the market. Johnny chooses Spore, knowing many want this game and it's backed by one of the industry leaders, Will Wright.

Johnny was prepared for the backlash against SecuROM, it's his most necessary component to success. Johnny began a dehumanizing campaign against those who opposed SecuROM by labeling them Pirates. He hopes this strategy will divide the players as they squabble against themselves, distracting them from the big picture. To hide the EADM, Johnny chooses the best practice, hide it in plain sight.

EADM is released with SecuROM and goes largely unnoticed. All the while the EADM is downloading content into players games. Little does anyone know, that this same EADM will be the source for all future advertisements. By tying EADM into the game, Johnny ensures that players cannot block out the advertisements without damaging their game. The second piece of the plan is put in place, quietly and successfully.

Johnny's still worried that if players succeed in damaging the most critical component, the SecuROM, his entire plan falls. So he plows over his opposition by releasing 2 blockbuster hits into the market, both carrying his advertisement dreams. Sims 3 and Red Alert 2 are both poised to be downloaded and installed on millions of computers world wide. Johnny thinks to himself, there's no way anyone could stop 3 trains.

[i]One Year Later[/i]

Johnny's plan was a huge success. He now has advertisements running in all games and millions of extra dollars rolling in ever 2 weeks. Johnny smiles to himself as he mulls over his genius.

[quote= JohnnyPie][b]Previous to this theory, EA decided to back down from the 10 day re-authentication program.[/b]
http://games.slashdot.org/games/08/05/09/2318229.shtml[/quote]
My thanks to JohnnyPie for announcing this victory :D]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/137921.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/137921.page GMT
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Here begins the censoring of the forum, you seem to not want people to see this thread then, it figures.
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• Bump threads judiciously. If a thread has no new posts since the last bump, please don't bump it again.

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Here begins the censoring of the forum, you seem to not want people to see this thread then, it figures.
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Well, I'm not sure sure about that ... Marx did get a little carried away with the bumps.

5 posts, all bumps, in a row, by the same person...

Nothing personal, Marx... I don't want to see this thread locked, is all.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/138012.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/138012.page GMT
• Bump threads judiciously. If a thread has no new posts since the last bump, please don't bump it again.

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[/quote]

Here begins the censoring of the forum, you seem to not want people to see this thread then, it figures.
[/quote]

Well, I'm not sure sure about that ... Marx did get a little carried away with the bumps.

5 posts, all bumps, in a row, by the same person...

Nothing personal, Marx... I don't want to see this thread locked, is all.[/quote]

That is true.. either way.. people need to see this thread, and many of the other ones... when these threads end up on page 4 or 5.. another person posts yet another post dealing with the same issues. Is that better? I'm not sure... I do agree, however, that 5 bumps in a row is a bit much.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/138016.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/138016.page GMT Well, I'm not sure sure about that ... Marx did get a little carried away with the bumps.

5 posts, all bumps, in a row, by the same person...

Nothing personal, Marx... I don't want to see this thread locked, is all.[/quote]

That is true.. either way.. people need to see this thread, and many of the other ones... when these threads end up on page 4 or 5.. another person posts yet another post dealing with the same issues. Is that better? I'm not sure... I do agree, however, that 5 bumps in a row is a bit much.
[/quote]

I see your point. Especially when the first page of General topics is mostly stickies, locked, and moved topics... ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/138023.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/138023.page GMT Well, I'm not sure sure about that ... Marx did get a little carried away with the bumps.

5 posts, all bumps, in a row, by the same person...

Nothing personal, Marx... I don't want to see this thread locked, is all.[/quote]

That is true.. either way.. people need to see this thread, and many of the other ones... when these threads end up on page 4 or 5.. another person posts yet another post dealing with the same issues. Is that better? I'm not sure... I do agree, however, that 5 bumps in a row is a bit much.
[/quote]

I see your point. Especially when the first page of General topics is mostly stickies, locked, and moved topics... [/quote]

I don't generally bump unless the thread has passed page 3]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/138035.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/138035.page GMT Yes this thread needs to be seen. So on that note..

though I'm gratified to see Will Wright post on this forum. His post was an exercise in spin.

Experimental gameplay ? Where I ask where ?

Spore as it was released is neither experimental or groundbreaking as a game- You lied (Yea go on ban me)

Spore as it was released is an insipid, repetitive set of weak minigames that contains nothing scientifically related to evolution.

Editors- yea they are nicely done. Procedural animation- also nicely done.

Game - Epic FAIL.

I respect Mr.Wright. I have used his previous toys.
But seriously stop spinning me so I'll buy the expansions, save your reputation and help EA save face.

Your only as good as your last product(no matter how "famous")...and I remember "The [b]Daikatana[/b] Disaster" amongst others.
Please don't do a Roper and "Flagship" your fans. It's insulting.




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Here begins the censoring of the forum, you seem to not want people to see this thread then, it figures.
[/quote]

Well, I'm not sure sure about that ... Marx did get a little carried away with the bumps.

5 posts, all bumps, in a row, by the same person...

Nothing personal, Marx... I don't want to see this thread locked, is all.[/quote]

I want to draw your attention to an odd occurrence. The thread wouldn't need to be bumped as often, if others didn't do the same. Now I'm not suggesting that others be punished, far from it, I believe in a free forum. But don't you think it's odd that THIS THREAD is the ONLY thread to be targeted and singled out?

Also, look up the word "judiciously", you'll see their new rule is bunk. And who announced this new rule? They slipped it in, and didn't say jack spore. The term fascist really does apply, it's a shame many are so blind.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/139553.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/139553.page GMT
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Marx83, please do not bump this thread.
[/quote]

Here begins the censoring of the forum, you seem to not want people to see this thread then, it figures.
[/quote]

Well, I'm not sure sure about that ... Marx did get a little carried away with the bumps.

5 posts, all bumps, in a row, by the same person...

Nothing personal, Marx... I don't want to see this thread locked, is all.[/quote]

I want to draw your attention to an odd occurrence. The thread wouldn't need to be bumped as often, if others didn't do the same. Now I'm not suggesting that others be punished, far from it, I believe in a free forum. But don't you think it's odd that THIS THREAD is the ONLY thread to be targeted and singled out?

Also, look up the word "judiciously", you'll see they're new rule is bunk. And who announced this new rule? They slipped it in, and didn't say jack spore. The term fascist really does apply, it's a shame many are so blind.[/quote]

The simple fact that this thread is targeted must mean they really do not want it seen. I wonder why???
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/139558.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/139558.page GMT
Your paranoid.
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Your paranoid.
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LOL, paranoid applies to "imagined" threats.... We've actually received one.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/139567.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/139567.page GMT
[quote=Marx83]bump[/quote]
[quote=Marx83]Hehehe..... evil bump[/quote]
[quote=Marx83]giddy bump [/quote]

Yeah... That probably contributed to that.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/139569.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/139569.page GMT
[quote=Marx83]bump[/quote]
[quote=Marx83]Hehehe..... evil bump[/quote]
[quote=Marx83]giddy bump [/quote]

Yeah... That probably contributed to that.[/quote]

LOL..... Way to state the obvious. And, if u look, they're days apart]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/139573.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/139573.page GMT
Your paranoid.
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LOL, paranoid applies to "imagined" threats.... We've actually received one.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/139798.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/139798.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/140710.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/140710.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/140738.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/140738.page GMT
No offense meant mind you.

It's just weird going into a thread to find two people with similar opinions and identical sigs backing each other up.

I think it's a rather humorous coincidence.

Unless you [u]are[/u] twins... ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/140771.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/140771.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/140781.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/140781.page GMT
If he did that then he couldn't get off on seeing it on the first page at least once every day.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/140787.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/140787.page GMT
No offense meant mind you.

It's just weird going into a thread to find two people with similar opinions and identical sigs backing each other up.

I think it's a rather humorous coincidence.

Unless you [u]are[/u] twins... [/quote]

I wouldn't call it a coincidence, its just 2 people that feel the same way. I've played waaayy too many games not to see that this is a ripoff.. and continues to be one.. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/141161.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/141161.page GMT though I feel my faith fade slowly as time goes by and there are more and more issues left unresolved]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/141222.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/141222.page GMT though I feel my faith fade slowly as time goes by and there are more and more issues left unresolved[/quote]

I know EXACTLY how u feel.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/141956.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/141956.page GMT
triplets..
[/quote]

Did you have an accident?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/143004.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/143004.page GMT
I let my little brother play the game when I want him to shut up. It is pretty pointless now though for me to play it. At 18 years old this game is just not something I can be made to care about. Nothing in it is for me.

I played through and learned some trick and made an empire and inevitably got bored and realized how short and incomplete the game felt.

I just say screw it. I wont play. I have Fable 2 and GoW2 on the XBOX 360. SPORE good games.

Thinking of picking up Mirrors Edge, although the chances are low. I am pissed with EA over the ripoffs I keep getting handed.

I just feel like the whole Spore game was a huge test from EA to see if they could force feed the crowds crap through false advertising.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/143045.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/143045.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/144292.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/144292.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/144364.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/144364.page GMT
Their only defence of SecuRom (that they are admitting to) is that it is there to stop Piracy. [b]I will be downloading any Pirated versions of their SecuROM games and sharing them with others who wish to Pirate them.[/b]

Did I mean that last bit? Does it matter? It got you thinking and the fact is it's easy enough to do. The only defence EA has for SecuRom is so easily picked apart by those who [i]intend[/i] to pirate that all it does is impede the honest folk who bought their software legally. The result of this is that their only defence is no defence at all.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/145165.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/145165.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/145189.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/145189.page GMT
Anyone who's fighting for the consumers rights should take a look, anyone who's interested in the corrupt nature of EA should too and then start fighting for the consumers rights.

*EDIT* [url=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=201361]More EA SecuROM lawsuits[/url]]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/145292.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/145292.page GMT

[url=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197]Zeitgeist[/url]

&

[url=http://www.loosechange911.com/finalcut/]Loose Change[/url]
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Anyone who's fighting for the consumers rights should take a look, anyone who's interested in the corrupt nature of EA should too and then start fighting for the consumers rights.

*EDIT* [url=http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=201361]More EA SecuROM lawsuits[/url][/quote]

Thank you, I'll see if I can find a way to integrate that into the OP]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/147493.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/147493.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/150150.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/150150.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/150244.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/150244.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153175.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153175.page GMT
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Spore has some glitches... it crashes sometimes... for some people its worse than others.

Guess what. It's a PC [u][i][b]game[/b][/i][/u]. This is how it is.

Notice the emphasis on "game".

I'm not an EA fanboi by any stretch. They've done plenty wrong in the past for support. But taking the time to research this and then posting on their website all of this is just kind of a waste of time. They aren't going to suddenly recant anything they've said or correct all their "issues" cause of a post like this.

If I were the forum admins, I'd delete it. It really doesn't serve a constructive purpose.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153229.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153229.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153337.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153337.page GMT it is annoying
if something goes beond the second page, it is because the thread is dying as people are losing interest
it is not an excuse to raise your post count]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153356.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153356.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153358.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153358.page GMT marx has been trying to allow freedom of speech and he gets banned
whilst a banned member can simply post spam like"bump"
in other forums, that would be worth at least a warning or 5]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153365.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153365.page GMT
Marx used communism/nazism/fascism. He's also on the internet on a forum where by signing up for it, he agreed to follow certain rules laid out by the Terms of Service/Forum Moderators. He also violated much more clearly posted rules by exposing private conversations between himself and moderators.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153372.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153372.page GMT however
spore is a game where half of your neighbors either demand money from you, or say that all who do not follow their god must die... yay child friendlyness....
I also agree with the moderators about the posting private conversations, it is a breach of trust
(have you ever noticed how the words moderators and administrators sound really sinister, it would make a great space spory)]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153377.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153377.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153383.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153383.page GMT *stabs thread*
to leave on a on topic note
yes ea have told lots of lies, but so have many other companies
to quote one of my favourate books
"the will wants its way
the trustees want their ways
you want your way
but who knows where those ways will lead?"]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153391.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153391.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153450.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/153450.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154092.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154092.page GMT
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- Bump threads judiciously. If a thread has no new posts since the last bump, please don't bump it again.
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Alright, I will stop bumping it, instead I will post constructive messages, one after the other.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154272.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154272.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154274.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154274.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154275.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154275.page GMT That's true, I guess I will try to respect the rules]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154277.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154277.page GMT
A bump is when you post to a topic for the soul reason of bringing it back from past page one.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154579.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154579.page GMT
The topic list in most forums is automatically arranged by which has the newest post in it. So when you make a new post in any topic, it "bumps" said topic up to the top of the topic list.

Though the act of "bumping" is normally more when you just post anything to make an old topic rise to the top again.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154589.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154589.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154593.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/154593.page GMT They absolutely no idea, what a bunch of noobs.
Or communists.
0-0]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/156596.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/156596.page GMT They absolutely no idea, what a bunch of noobs.
Or communists.
0-0[/quote]

You mean the one with the flag? ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/156908.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/156908.page GMT It was offensive to someone.
Urmmm, what isnt offensive and racist nowadays? Lol.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/157048.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/157048.page GMT Not that any of those three subjects have any place here.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/157056.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/157056.page GMT But thanks for the comments.
^^]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/157068.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/157068.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/158695.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/158695.page GMT
Bump!]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/161283.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/161283.page GMT
~~~Calc]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/166160.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/166160.page GMT
Bump![/quote]

You are right, you shouldn't bump threads repeatedly. Please refrain from doing so.
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~~~Calc
P.S.-- I don't think maxis or EA is planning world domination, or anything

Edit: [quote]I got the stupid messages from the mods for the facist image too.
They absolutely no idea, what a bunch of noobs.
Or communists. [/quote]

Hmm... So this makes them noobs, communists, fascists, and liars? I take the amount of dubbed titles into consideration when questioning the truth behind them... Conclusion: They are not noobs, communists, or fascists. They are liars, but about... how much the game sold? Why do we really care.
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A bump is when you post to a topic for the soul reason of bringing it back from past page one.[/quote]*Throws thread to the top* (Yay!)]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/167834.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/167834.page GMT
*waves goodbye to $70 worth of purchases*]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/170985.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/170985.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/170995.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/170995.page GMT

You state that we are being treated poorly. You state that they are holding their stockholders above their costumers. You state that there is a problem. But you to [color=red]not[/color] state what that problem is. [u]How[/u] are we being treated poorly? In [u]what[/u] way are we being the number two priority to EA/maxis? You keep telling us there is a huge problem, yet now what it is. And [color=red]no one[/color] likes how some people protest over the smallest things. I mean, who cares if they lie about the sales of spore? I ask you to please [color=red]grow up[/color], and move on.

Edit: Oh, and I ask you to stop because [color=red]protesting about nothing does not make spore a more fun place[/color]. As you try to improve nothing, you lower the quality something.



~~~Calc]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/172155.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/172155.page GMT
I suggest that rather than label people fascist bastards for no reason other than complaint, you should instead talk to these people. They're not as apathetic as you make them out to be.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/172161.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/172161.page GMT
Thank you, finally someone who sees this in a more sane view.

On a different subject:
Just because spore isn't very realistic, does not mean it's [u]bad[/u]. Just enjoy the game. I mean, read reviews before bying if you are not sure what it's like.



~~~Calc]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/172171.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/172171.page GMT On a different subject:
Just because spore isn't very realistic, does not mean it's [u]bad[/u]. Just enjoy the game. I mean, read reviews before bying if you are not sure what it's like.



~~~Calc[/quote]



I did read the reviews, and Spore reminded me not to trust reviews from professional game sites.

Its hard to call Spore a bad game because its hardly a game at all. Its an art editor with an animation simulator they call the stages. Its skin deep gameplay kept me interested for a few hours for a week or so, and only because I kept assuming there was MORE I was just missing.

So we have people who are happy with the art editors (not what I bought the game for) who seem to like it, but only to play with the creatures, not play the game.

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~~~Calc]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/172261.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/172261.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/173004.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/173004.page GMT [quote]If you like the game, go play it. It is that simple. You may not have the same issues as some of us. People bought this game at launch and still haven't been able to play it. Some of us followed this game for years and expected a much different game. It is a little embarrassing to talk to your friends about how awesome something is going to be and then have it come out as something way different and not so awesome. I am sure you would be upset if you ordered a Porsche and found out it they took out the stereo and leather seats. Also, the alarm system burns your house down. If you are not satisfied you complain. You give it bad reviews. You stop spending money with corporations that make unhappy. If you aren't angry at the way the industry treats you, you need to open your eyes. If you still don't mind what they do to you, get out of they for the rest of us because we ARE angry. We are tired of being treated as if we are criminals. We are tired of EA, and others, turning to nickle-and-dime tricks to get our money. Just remember, if it weren't for posts like this, the game would be far worse. Look at the DRM that shipped with the game. [/quote]


I have a few questions for you, Thesavant;
#1: [color=red]Why are some people still not able to play the game?[/color]
#2: If you [u]don't[/u] like the game, then stop associating with EA/Maxis. I still don't understand what you are trying to achieve, protesting on the forums. So, [color=red]what are you trying to achieve ranting here?[/color] If you don't like them, make people sign a petition, or go protest in front of their HQ, , not on a website for a game intended for [u]children[/u]. (I mean no offense by this , but if you are going to be on here, at least act in a mature way).
#3: [color=red]How is EA treating us poorly[/color], 'putting their stockholders before their costumers'?
#4: [color=red]What is wrong with secuROM?[/color]
#5: [color=red] [/color]How are they nickle and dime-ing us?[/color] I bought the game, and I bought the C&C expansion. Does not seem like hidden costs or anything such.


I hope you take these questions and think about them, and then reply in a more open view.
~~~Calc
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/175809.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/175809.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/175822.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/175822.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/175932.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/175932.page GMT
it's what spore was supposed to be in 2005 this video is the reason all these people are so mad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dvMDFOFnA
it's 35 mins tho]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/176007.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/176007.page GMT
it's what spore was supposed to be in 2005 this video is the reason all these people are so mad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dvMDFOFnA
it's 35 mins tho[/quote]

Yes, that's what I wanted Cell Stage to be. You'll notice how there was not an 'Electro' weapon. Why...why did they make that thing? Well, whatever. I love the video, but I don't know why they didn't release a prototype of that particular merging of all the prototypes from the demonstration.

At 2:10, you see the fabled 'holy grail' of Spore. The Ocean Stage. Man...where did that go? They had everything ready in that stage.

Anyway, at 3:57 Mr. Wright mentions 'internal skeleton'. It had ribs! All we have...is a spine. Around 5:00 it was clear that you didn't have to leave the ocean until you added feet, instead of fins. Meaning body altering decisions would be essential to playing. That would've been fun for me!

You'll also notice at 5:28, rather than go to a loading screen and watching a cut scene; you would actually have to swim onto land. This whole process was seamless from Cell to Creature Stage. Why did that change?

6:15, the way your creature attacks is based on what weapons you put, but also [i]where[/i] you put them! In addition, if you weren't close, you would miss. Compare that to the Spit attack which uses a 'homing' device. Bah.

At 6:30, you can see 'rag doll' physics in the game. Now, that's gone, why?

At 6:45, who cares if blood was in the game? Why, if someone is cut by a knife while slicing carrots, will they not bleed as a result? Hmph, hardly 'realistic' now, I say. Only Cell Stage accurately depicts this.

6:56-7:04! You could drag a meal after having your creature bite it and 'invent a new verb'! How could they take procedural verbs out? That would've been much more important for game play; you'd have to feed your nest, vital for survival I'd say! Or did they lessen this to the point where I could not hold fruit when full to give as a 'gift' to another species? Or do the creatures of my avatar become more dependant on me when I reach space because they forgot how to take care of themselves over the ages?

At 7:05, Wright says something like, 'One of the real wins, though, is that whatever I create in this game, is going to behave differently. I mean, you know; it's just going to be fundamentally different behavior than anything you might create in the game. Which is a huge win...' Then a carnivore/omnivore ran towards the creature, actively hunting. Though...I have experienced hunting in Spore, yet not quite like that. The beast roared and let its presence be known, in Spore, even on Easy, I'm ambushed by surprise attacks from nowhere. Where is an apex predator? The top of the food chain? At 7:35 Wright says you are not always the top of the food chain. Strange, I didn't see evidence of this. Except for...epics? Bah.

Watch 9:15, it's what I really miss. 10:50, Wright said a creature had a speed based on procedural animation dealing with the creature's skeletal structure.

11:30, Mr. Wright shows the Brain Upgrade option. You had to save DNA for parts and such, [i]and[/i] to advance. That adds more depth.

At 12:00, Tribe. Watch it yourself, it's what I wanted. Not this...premade stuff.

14:24, City Stage. As you'll notice, the city was not round. 14:33, you could build [i]roads[/i]. You were not limited to a premade plot! So much for player input there. A simple version of Sim City, he says. The people have [i]needs[/i]. What happened to that in the full game? 16:58, you'll notice a square shaped city.

19:38, you will see how cities become icons, and things are exaggerated. 20:29, you'll see that the planet, even when zoomed out to orbit, has a dynamic atmosphere, and events which take place in real time. Why'd this change? So all computers could handle the game? Bah...

21:00, you'll see the massive UFO some wish to have. 22:54, you'll see the seamless transition. Man, I wanted that.

At 24:26, Mr. Wright made a joke. A very good display of low gravity was also shown. Once more...where'd it go?

25:05, Wright said he wanted terraforming to be 'Oops, I didn't mean to do that,' sort of an experience. Now...it's mundane and bland. I can't even save changes to a planet's surface like making a completely smooth world. Or an ocean world. Or lava. Why?

25:44, volcanoes wouldn't disappear as they do now. Also, why do those eruptions take place...on every planet that doesn't even have an atmosphere in the full game?

Things 'attack' you. I've tested it using the Holo Scout. If you click on the minimap, the ship moves to where you click.

Ice worlds are not calm, not even when lacking air! Bah.

26:10, Will Wright said you could even build cities underwater with the bubble over the colony. Not now! Ugh...26:15, he said you could colonize the oceans on your home planet. Not now, either.

This is why I'm upset. So many broken promises. So many dreams...left as such. Never to be reality. I hope that's not going to be true.

26:33, you'll notice the volcanoes remain, like the Space Prototype. Why was this changed for a one time, one use item? Hmph, what if I wanted a moon to have a few volcanoes like my home planet?

27:45-55, Wright says you have to earn a lot of currency to afford the Interstellar Drive. What happened to that? I was hoping to take my time in Space, not suddenly go on this 'unique' mission to find life and learn about this...Grox thing! Bah!

28:49, planetary nebula, 28:58, Wright says there are stars that can go supernova. What, they felt that wasn't needed? 29:05, nebula that formed stars...why aren't new stars formed as we play?

29:47, entire worlds would be created by a player. Not generated and randomly placed as I feel things are now. Personality was set by how players progressed in the game, not ten set archetypes! Bah...

30:15, arid planets. Different types of terrain. Gone now. You get T0-T3. No unique and diverse climates. Why?

30:35, Wright said you had to establish contact by a minigame. In order to establish a language. What? So...magically, all languages are somehow translated in Spore now? Wow, that doesn't make sense.

31:58, by destroying a world, you can make a new ring. Now...it just deletes the planet.

32:40, Wright says things that never happened unless you consider the Creature Tweaker 'cross breeding'. 34:00, 'browsing' other players worlds. Not from what I could see in my game.

34:40, the previous stages are just tutorials for the Space Stage. Really? I couldn't tell with all the random attacks by pirates. So much for Omnipotent. Hah...

Yet one thing remained the same.

Will Wright said he thought we could make a whole galaxy. Well, we did, and we each have our own galaxy, thanks to Spore. I'm happy thanks to that last fact.

Happy enough to believe in Maxis, and yes, EA. They kept this final promise, despite all the shattered dreams. Despite the lies. And it's why I still have hope that there may one day be, the true Spore we got so hyped up about.

Sorry, I just felt like posting this after watching the video. I love Spore, after all.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/176389.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/176389.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/176512.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/176512.page GMT [/quote]

That's just it! They gave up that fun mini game for a lame excuse! I mean...I would have loved the challenge of interacting with other life! But...whatever, that's something I noticed watching the video, and how it started a war with that colony.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/176527.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/176527.page GMT
I have a few questions for you, Thesavant;
#1: [color=red]Why are some people still not able to play the game?[/color]
Various reasons. Look it up.
#2: If you [u]don't[/u] like the game, then stop associating with EA/Maxis. I still don't understand what you are trying to achieve, protesting on the forums. So, [color=red]what are you trying to achieve ranting here?[/color] If you don't like them, make people sign a petition, or go protest in front of their HQ, , not on a website for a game intended for [u]children[/u]. (I mean no offense by this , but if you are going to be on here, at least act in a mature way).
I am trying to bring about a change in the industry. I do those things. Forum posting is just part of it. The website is not for a game for children. The game is for a wide range of ages. You want me to act mature? I'm not sure how I am being otherwise, but I do find it ironic that you would lambaste me for not being mature in the same sentence as one in which you berate me for posting on a "children's" website.
#3: [color=red]How is EA treating us poorly[/color], 'putting their stockholders before their costumers'?
You get a sub-par game that was promoted as something else. You lose out on great games and good customer service.
#4: [color=red]What is wrong with secuROM?[/color]
Remove yourself from under the rock...
#5: [color=red] [/color]How are they nickle and dime-ing us?[/color] I bought the game, and I bought the C&C expansion. Does not seem like hidden costs or anything such.
Did you know that an expansion was coming out? We had speculation, but really the game has just come out in a flawed state.


I hope you take these questions and think about them, and then reply in a more open view.
~~~Calc
[/quote]
I'm not sure if you should be accusing me of being close-minded. I bought the game, I didn't pirate. I played it for some time without complaint. I gave EA the benefit of the doubt in hopes they would address the issues and do something to make it right. Instead they release an add-on. I want you to have a more open mind. Just because you like the game doesn't make it right. Why do you even post in this topic as it isn't intended for you. If you don't agree with what I say move on or at least provide intelligent responses instead of attacking with questions that have been answered time and time again. I never intended to post so much on the topic, but it seems I have to defend my position from attack perpetrated by the uninformed. When there is a problem you want fixed you do everything you can to make it right or it doesn't change. This is part of that everything.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/176859.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/176859.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/177645.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/177645.page GMT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=407ykCgLhOU&feature=related

better quality of some of the same gameplay as before

around the 4 or 5 min mark you can see where todays "spore" started to emerge]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/179220.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/179220.page GMT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v00nxRoS3iw&feature=rec-HM-rev-rn

old trailer]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/181626.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/181626.page GMT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v00nxRoS3iw&feature=rec-HM-rev-rn

old trailer[/quote]
I was not aware of this trailer.

Only a four letter word with a disappointing tone would express what the comparisons are. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/182526.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/182526.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/183983.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/183983.page GMT Hmm what? Hmm this sounds like a good idea hmm, Hmm these people are stupid enough that they think that this could work, or just plain Hmm? What does hmm mean? Anyway Maxis didn't lie, EA did. Why does Will Wright need to be blamed for this disgusting acid rain of scams?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/185742.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/185742.page GMT Spore is a milestone in video gaming history, it's going to have some flaws, NO DUH!!!. That is why this really quick person invented the..................................................................PATCH!!!!!! Yes the new invention that is better then sliced bread! Go out and actually have fun in your galaxy in a box!



Oh by the way, watch out for the Grox!!! [size=24][/size][/b]]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/194751.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/194751.page GMT PenguinKid. Thank you kid!]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/194756.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/194756.page GMT
Kudos to you for not backing down and keeping your stand.
I'm afraid, however, that Maxis will always win since it is their product, their sporum and their costs.

I also have to say that the more I read in here the more I am amazed about the huge resistance against EA, the unbelievable demand for Science Spore and the protest against the rating system.
I am sure that this community is not one of the easiest for either EA or Maxis to handle, it reminds me of a Sporance Revolution-Atmosphere with a lot of rebellious users/customers.
But I think this is rather productive than dangerous, since most of the users posting here remain peaceful and constructive in their critique.

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/194832.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/194832.page GMT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v00nxRoS3iw&feature=rec-HM-rev-rn

old trailer[/quote]
I was not aware of this trailer.

Only a four letter word with a disappointing tone would express what the comparisons are. [/quote]

so much rage sooooo much]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/194882.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/194882.page GMT
Hmm. Last survey from the NPD has had Spore at the #1 or #2 spot for PC games sales, with a trend towards two million units by the end of October. And those sales don't even account for Holiday spending.

Consider too that the Creature creator has been in the top 10 sales SINCE July....

All I see here are about 1000-2000 people who are whining about a game which is a digital TOY according to its creators, saying its too simplistic, or that it needs more basis in scientific fact, or are dis-satisfied with a player supported rating system which has no bearing on the game itself.

I wouldn't call that "unbelieveable demand". I'd call it unbelievable crying. Just because some people have no life, and champion a cause that isn't really worthy of the time invested, doesn't mean what they are saying is correct or worthwhile.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/194905.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/194905.page GMT
They knew Spore was nothing like people anticipated from the trailers and interviews, and even the Science Channel promo 'documentary' on release week.

They didn't do anything to dispel the idea that Spore was some great evolution sim.

A lot of us fell for it.

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/194913.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/194913.page GMT
They knew Spore was nothing like people anticipated from the trailers and interviews, and even the Science Channel promo 'documentary' on release week.

They didn't do anything to dispel the idea that Spore was some great evolution sim.

A lot of us fell for it.[/quote]

Bingo! So, what should we do about it, aside from remembering this and later forgetting it only to argue about this once more?

We must take action! Brainstorm, people...I'm tired.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/195310.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/195310.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/197157.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/197157.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/197173.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/197173.page GMT [size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
Legitimate users can easily achieve new activations if they run out. ~ Public Misconception
[/quote]

This is true, when i first got the game i had gotten a new computer, which was faulty, we took it back and got a new one, then i had to wait ages to get a brand new one, in the mean time i downloaded spore on my old computer so i could play it, then i finnaly got the new laptop and couldnt install spore because activations ran out, i contacted spore by email and got a new activation code for free withing that week, so re lable this truth]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/210109.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/210109.page GMT
I bit the bullet in buying Spore, not because I've forgotten how I hated ALL thier previous titles, but because of the publicity it recieved prior to its release. I thought I was buying an intelligent, well made sim everything game. I got a $50 Demo. I dont have the words to express what I feel toward EA, and thier CEO. Ive always had the utmost respect for Will Wright, until now. Now he's right up there with that pixie JohnnyPie.

Maxis sold out. Thats the bottom line. They got greedy, got sloppy, and apparently turned into a disney franchise. I wont make the mistake again, TBH I would not have bought spore had I played it for 5 mins before I bought it. I bought it sept 9, and because of the registration, I had to wait a month to register it and play, at which time I wanted to cry. The beautiful, complex, scientific and enthralling gameplay I witnessed in previous sources, such as the now infamous 2005 video just wasnt there... Its bait-n-switch, its false advertising, its effin insulting. Im not 5 years old, how many 5 year old kids can possibly be playing this game? Why the heck does WW and EA think that its a good idea to aim an entire game at toddlers?

In conclusion, There not a chance in hell that Id ever buy another Maxis/EA title, nor will I waste my money on anything with DRM or SecuRom.. And I wont get started on the EADM, which in my opinion should be illegal. JohnnyPie, I hope you rot.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/210230.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/210230.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/210808.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/210808.page GMT I enjoy the fact that so many watch a movie made for the game developers community as a look at what we can do, and whine that what they saw there is not what they (the gaming community) got… Can anybody get us something on the specs of the machine that demo is running on 4 or so years ago… I doubt many of us have anything comparable years later to run it on…

Needless those who live to say things like why did they change it to make sure it runs on every computer just do not get it… Go buy yourself a Ps3, or Xbox…

People thrive for drama yet some can only handle simple internet forum drama… Whining here is not going to change the game… EVER!
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Use proper English please. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/211288.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/211288.page GMT Many apologies for my lack of a retort to your harsh comment posted previously.

You claim I 'hate' Spore? My, how terribly wrong can that possibly be?

If I truly hated Spore, why would I even bother to waste my time posting? Easy; I love Spore with a passion.

I love Spore so much I am willing to spend many hours thinking of ways the game can be improved!

I have explored the prototypes like Space, GasLight, and ParticleMan.

In Space, if you downloaded it while waiting impatiently for Spore to be released, as I had done, you would find a small gem very similar to Sim Earth.

Spore's Space Stage took a dramatic shift in the [u][b]opposite[/b][/u] direction. You'd understand if you try the Space prototype.

[quote=Draycu][quote=Herculoids]Maxis's lie was the lie of omission.

They knew Spore was nothing like people anticipated from the trailers and interviews, and even the Science Channel promo 'documentary' on release week.

They didn't do anything to dispel the idea that Spore was some great evolution sim.

A lot of us fell for it.[/quote]

Bingo! So, what should we do about it, aside from remembering this and later forgetting it only to argue about this once more?

We must take action! Brainstorm, people...I'm tired.[/quote]When I said I was 'tired'...I had to study for my finals for college.
I would expect anyone else to be rather mentally drained as well.

Do not jump to conclusions, Kingston816, as suspicions and first impressions are often ill indicators of how someone acts.

And do watch the use of the exclamation symbol, if you wouldn't mind.

This said, I respect your concern. It is duly noted.

Here is the post I made previously:
[quote=Draycu][quote=Marker106]calculatrice---- i think you should see this vid

it's what spore was supposed to be in 2005 this video is the reason all these people are so mad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dvMDFOFnA
it's 35 mins tho[/quote]

Yes, that's what I wanted Cell Stage to be. You'll notice how there was not an 'Electro' weapon. Why...why did they make that thing? Well, whatever. I love the video, but I don't know why they didn't release a prototype of that particular merging of all the prototypes from the demonstration.

At 2:10, you see the fabled 'holy grail' of Spore. The Ocean Stage. Man...where did that go? They had everything ready in that stage.

Anyway, at 3:57 Mr. Wright mentions 'internal skeleton'. It had ribs! All we have...is a spine. Around 5:00 it was clear that you didn't have to leave the ocean until you added feet, instead of fins. Meaning body altering decisions would be essential to playing. That would've been fun for me!

You'll also notice at 5:28, rather than go to a loading screen and watching a cut scene; you would actually have to swim onto land. This whole process was seamless from Cell to Creature Stage. Why did that change?

6:15, the way your creature attacks is based on what weapons you put, but also [i]where[/i] you put them! In addition, if you weren't close, you would miss. Compare that to the Spit attack which uses a 'homing' device. Bah.

At 6:30, you can see 'rag doll' physics in the game. Now, that's gone, why?

At 6:45, who cares if blood was in the game? Why, if someone is cut by a knife while slicing carrots, will they not bleed as a result? Hmph, hardly 'realistic' now, I say. Only Cell Stage accurately depicts this.

6:56-7:04! You could drag a meal after having your creature bite it and 'invent a new verb'! How could they take procedural verbs out? That would've been much more important for game play; you'd have to feed your nest, vital for survival I'd say! Or did they lessen this to the point where I could not hold fruit when full to give as a 'gift' to another species? Or do the creatures of my avatar become more dependant on me when I reach space because they forgot how to take care of themselves over the ages?

At 7:05, Wright says something like, 'One of the real wins, though, is that whatever I create in this game, is going to behave differently. I mean, you know; it's just going to be fundamentally different behavior than anything you might create in the game. Which is a huge win...' Then a carnivore/omnivore ran towards the creature, actively hunting. Though...I have experienced hunting in Spore, yet not quite like that. The beast roared and let its presence be known, in Spore, even on Easy, I'm ambushed by surprise attacks from nowhere. Where is an apex predator? The top of the food chain? At 7:35 Wright says you are not always the top of the food chain. Strange, I didn't see evidence of this. Except for...epics? Bah.

Watch 9:15, it's what I really miss. 10:50, Wright said a creature had a speed based on procedural animation dealing with the creature's skeletal structure.

11:30, Mr. Wright shows the Brain Upgrade option. You had to save DNA for parts and such, [i]and[/i] to advance. That adds more depth.

At 12:00, Tribe. Watch it yourself, it's what I wanted. Not this...premade stuff.

14:24, City Stage. As you'll notice, the city was not round. 14:33, you could build [i]roads[/i]. You were not limited to a premade plot! So much for player input there. A simple version of Sim City, he says. The people have [i]needs[/i]. What happened to that in the full game? 16:58, you'll notice a square shaped city.

19:38, you will see how cities become icons, and things are exaggerated. 20:29, you'll see that the planet, even when zoomed out to orbit, has a dynamic atmosphere, and events which take place in real time. Why'd this change? So all computers could handle the game? Bah...

21:00, you'll see the massive UFO some wish to have. 22:54, you'll see the seamless transition. Man, I wanted that.

At 24:26, Mr. Wright made a joke. A very good display of low gravity was also shown. Once more...where'd it go?

25:05, Wright said he wanted terraforming to be 'Oops, I didn't mean to do that,' sort of an experience. Now...it's mundane and bland. I can't even save changes to a planet's surface like making a completely smooth world. Or an ocean world. Or lava. Why?

25:44, volcanoes wouldn't disappear as they do now. Also, why do those eruptions take place...on every planet that doesn't even have an atmosphere in the full game?

Things 'attack' you. I've tested it using the Holo Scout. If you click on the minimap, the ship moves to where you click.

Ice worlds are not calm, not even when lacking air! Bah.

26:10, Will Wright said you could even build cities underwater with the bubble over the colony. Not now! Ugh...26:15, he said you could colonize the oceans on your home planet. Not now, either.

This is why I'm upset. So many broken promises. So many dreams...left as such. Never to be reality. I hope that's not going to be true.

26:33, you'll notice the volcanoes remain, like the Space Prototype. Why was this changed for a one time, one use item? Hmph, what if I wanted a moon to have a few volcanoes like my home planet?

27:45-55, Wright says you have to earn a lot of currency to afford the Interstellar Drive. What happened to that? I was hoping to take my time in Space, not suddenly go on this 'unique' mission to find life and learn about this...Grox thing! Bah!

28:49, planetary nebula, 28:58, Wright says there are stars that can go supernova. What, they felt that wasn't needed? 29:05, nebula that formed stars...why aren't new stars formed as we play?

29:47, entire worlds would be created by a player. Not generated and randomly placed as I feel things are now. Personality was set by how players progressed in the game, not ten set archetypes! Bah...

30:15, arid planets. Different types of terrain. Gone now. You get T0-T3. No unique and diverse climates. Why?

30:35, Wright said you had to establish contact by a minigame. In order to establish a language. What? So...magically, all languages are somehow translated in Spore now? Wow, that doesn't make sense.

31:58, by destroying a world, you can make a new ring. Now...it just deletes the planet.

32:40, Wright says things that never happened unless you consider the Creature Tweaker 'cross breeding'. 34:00, 'browsing' other players worlds. Not from what I could see in my game.

34:40, the previous stages are just tutorials for the Space Stage. Really? I couldn't tell with all the random attacks by pirates. So much for Omnipotent. Hah...

Yet one thing remained the same.

Will Wright said he thought we could make a whole galaxy. Well, we did, and we each have our own galaxy, thanks to Spore. I'm happy thanks to that last fact.

Happy enough to believe in Maxis, and yes, EA. They kept this final promise, despite all the shattered dreams. Despite the lies. And it's why I still have hope that there may one day be, the true Spore we got so hyped up about.

Sorry, I just felt like posting this after watching the video. I love Spore, after all.
[/quote]

Did you fail to read this?

I rant pointlessly; my apologies.

Now, do you still feel I 'hate' Spore, Kingston816? I certainly hope not.

Here's the video;
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dvMDFOFnA[/youtube]
Now, I've spoken [i][b]my[/b][/i] mind. How about you?

[quote=alexis515148]Draycu i agree 99%. 99 because you said at 30:35 the languages magicly translated, which if you were reading any text at the begining is because you have a built in intergaltctic translater in your ships communaction thing. (ya i know its dumb but thats what the game said so you cant say they didnt have an excuse to how you translate alien languages)[/quote]
Yes, I did see this. But I hold on to my thoughts that this is a terrible excuse to remove a possibly fun minigame. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/211471.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/211471.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/213558.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/213558.page GMT
In Space, if you downloaded it while waiting impatiently for Spore to be released, as I had done, you would find a small gem very similar to Sim Earth.

Spore's Space Stage took a dramatic shift in the [u][b]opposite[/b][/u] direction. You'd understand if you try the Space prototype."


Yes Draycu I have played them for a matter of fact but more then you think!

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/213600.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/213600.page GMT By the way it is a proven fact this is a milestone for the video gaming world so don't argue with that!
<Snip>
because Maxis for one is a group of imaginitive people and EA is one of the greatest computer game and video game companies ever started. So everyone, Keep Playing In You Galaxy In A Box.<snip>[/quote]

I would honestly consider your statement about Spore being a milestone before repeating it. You may find it is not regarded as a positive one by an awful lot of people.

With regards to the Maxis comment, you missed the word were. As for EA being the greatest game company ever. Sorry must disagree. Though I will say they ingested some of the greatest and proceeded to dismantle them.

The procedural animation in the engine is actually pretty good. The editors are limited but mildly fun.
The game engine is also..reasonable.
The game itself consists of mind numbing repetitive minigames which (after cell) become soul destroying.

Oh and Frontier Developments put a galaxy in a box long before Maxis. Using a modern engine any of the Elite/Frontier series would blow this out of the water.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/215194.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/215194.page GMT
Take into account how many potentially great games EA has destroyed over the years, and you'd understand our hate.
GoldenEye: Rogue Agent[/quote]

GoldenEye Rogue Agent was not "destroyed" by EA. I played it, and it's awesome. Too bad I lost my copy of it. I guess I'll have to use some of my Christmas money to buy a new one. Anyway, I had no idea that EA published it. It was the first non-Pokemon game I ever got for my DS. The gameplay is great, the graphics are great, and the story is great. That one level could do without those guns killing you in one hit though. That's one of the reasons I got an action replay for DS. Goldeneye Rogue Agent is proof that EA doesn't ruin every game they touch.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/215660.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/215660.page GMT Please! I'm the one who's apologized, you've nothing to be sorry for; it was a simple mistake and no harm was done.

Why...do I comment on this thread? Because [i]a[/i] consumer was lied to, in a way.
When I bought Spore, I was expecting a true [i][b]Simulated[/b][/i] '[u]Everything[/u]'.

Sure, I enjoyed Spore the first time I played it...but then I grew tired of the limits you are given.
In particular, 'random' pirate attacks are foolish if you are 'omnipotent'.

Ecodisasters are a pain in the neck. Especially when your computer lags during the event.
I've lost quite a few species thanks to a three minute long lag one time...and I had my settings set to the lowest possible.

Thankfully, I was able to over come the "limitation" imposed on the player when shaping new worlds with the Terrain Tools.

I only achieved this small bit of freedom thanks to a cheat, however.

I post my thoughts in this topic because I feel I was misled.

I still play Spore, and I never use mods.

I just want some new stuff in my 'Galaxy in a Box'.

Edit~I suppose I'm just finding it hard to let go of Sim Earth.
When I played the Space Prototype, I loved how the height of the ground played an important role in terraforming...but Spore simplified everything in Space Stage a little too much, in my opinion.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/215993.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/215993.page GMT Spore Begins With a Big Bang! One Million Games Sold and 25 Million Creations Uploaded
http://www.ea.com/read/20080924-sporemillion.xml[/quote]


That's actually true, The NPD only represents America and only boxed copies, the ea store, I bet there must have been bought also quite a lot.

(if this already be discussed, I'm not going to skim through all the pages)

[quote]

LIES FROM THE VIDEOS
See this thread for a detail of how we were misled about spore
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/8654.page

View the videos for yourself here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8372603330...K3_5SIqnJ4mwrQLlo4TqDg&q=spore
and
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-394434397...Wn_5SNSAIJycrAK9oozNCg&q=spore
[/quote]

They never stated the game would be what we have now, the ones that have followed developement had seen this coming. Ignorant is the keyword here.

Besides, we shouldn't mourn about that version, expansion and mods will bring the game back.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/216008.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/216008.page GMT
Besides, we shouldn't mourn about that version, expansion and mods will bring the game back.[/quote]
True, they never "said" the demonstrations were going to be final. Yet they really didn't inform everyone that the Ocean Stage was removed. I certainly was left in the dark; that much is true.

"Expansions"? Hah! So far the only expansion was the Creepy and Cute. I [b][i]really[/i][/b] think that was misleading. What with the twenty dollars I spent for it, and all.

Why, the full Creature Creator was only ten dollars, in fact!
Yet, I digress...

"Mods"? Maxis won't make mods, I believe. They'll release patches, and expansion packs, but I do not believe a mod will be on the list.

And the current expansion being made will only give one the ability to make missions and leave their ship. You can already leave your ship with the Hologram Scout. Also, the Hologram Scout is invincible.

I'd like to see the captain get eaten by an Epic and live to tell about it.

Rather, I'd hope future expansions give us the demonstrations back in 2005.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/216034.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/216034.page GMT
Yoda is cool! <(O_O)>
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/216837.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/216837.page GMT
'Cool' Yoda is, hmm?
Yes; wise, you are.

Forgiven you are; yet much to learn, you have!]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/216999.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/216999.page GMT That's it. I'm through with EA. You guys can't even properly help us. I don't care about my rudeness, I just want to be able to play my game for the $80 I've spent.

But no. After just about a month of waiting, I'm tired of this. You guys cannot stop acting like bots and stop giving us copy/paste answers. Heck with it, I give up. I've sold my copy and just put $80 back into my wallet. Why? Because for all we know, EA is probably just trying to milk the Maxis cow for all its worth. EA probably just kept making more money while at the same time abusing the d#mn cow.

I'd much rather see Maxis make the real SPORE that they promised and close down before they announce some really great game and have it ruined by the fascists at EA swimming in liquid gold.

For the record, I don't give a hell about rudeness. Just stop giving us freaking answers that don't help.
Protips:

1. LISTEN TO THE FREAKING CUSTOMER.
2. Tell EA to stop trying to ruin every single game studios they buy out.
3. Get real people in customer support and stop giving us wrong answers and treating us like rednecks who don't know what a computer is.


[B]tl;dr:[/B] Screw you EA, you killed Maxis and you killed SPORE. Just let Maxis make a SPORE real SPORE and don't try to screw it up, and proceed to close Maxis so they won't promise us with great stuff that you'll ruin, most likely including Sims 3. Follow the protip advice above, and another last note:

I hope to God that your stock continues to fall, and you will go bankrupt. It may bring down just about every single game I know and love (Which was ruined by you, thank you), but it'll give way to something new: [U]Game publishing companies that CARE ABOUT THE CUSTOMER.[/U]
http://finance.google.com/finance?catid=54399928
Please note under "Losers" that EA is the biggest loser of stock price.

I encourage that people screenshot this post before EA attempts to stop me by removing my post and deriving me of my first amendment.
Sayonara!
Love,
Nick[/quote]
Taken from the help forum topic of my own:
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/13112.page]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/217027.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/217027.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/246518.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/246518.page GMT

Edit: Wait nevermind that's the beginning sales. Who would believe it sold 1 mil copies on so soon? Come on, this is EA, not Blizzard or Valve. WotlK sold 2.4 mil on the first day.

And please lets be reasonable about the old videos. They were concet videos, and did promise too much, but most stuff got in. I do believe Spore will get better.

Also, there is a deactivation tool, or am I mistaken?

As for everything else, A+++. Totally agree. I'll add that thing into my sig, and can anyone post me a way to put the anti CnC parts pack thing as well?

Also, I believe SecuROM is a huge conspirancy theory to kill the secondhand market, as well you know the activation and all that. This EA gets more sales, as the secondhand market is the business of the stores and not the publishers. Conspiracy! Also I noticed that word has "piracy" in it. Random and coincidental.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/278766.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/278766.page GMT

Edit: Wait nevermind that's the beginning sales. Who would believe it sold 1 mil copies on so soon? Come on, this is EA, not Blizzard or Valve. WotlK sold 2.4 mil on the first day.

And please lets be reasonable about the old videos. They were concet videos, and did promise too much, but most stuff got in. I do believe Spore will get better.

Also, there is a deactivation tool, or am I mistaken?

As for everything else, A+++. Totally agree. I'll add that thing into my sig, and can anyone post me a way to put the anti CnC parts pack thing as well?

Also, I believe SecuROM is a huge conspirancy theory to kill the secondhand market, as well you know the activation and all that. This EA gets more sales, as the secondhand market is the business of the stores and not the publishers. Conspiracy! Also I noticed that word has "piracy" in it. Random and coincidental.[/quote]

Spore sold worldwide around 2 million. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/286174.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/286174.page GMT
Source please?

Last I heard the 2 million figure published by EA was shown to include all versions of Spore across all platforms (PC, DS, Phone).

I'd be curious if the PC sales of Spore have indeed topped 2 million.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/286177.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/286177.page GMT
Part of me thinks that they made horrible judgment calls and are now unsuccessfully trying to get out of that, but people keep seeing them for this big bad company who only wants to ruin lives and is evil. The other part of me thinks that EA really is greedy and something drastic needs to happen.



I'm just going to keep playing Spore, I find it enjoyable. So there.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/286742.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/286742.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/286833.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/286833.page GMT
Same here. I still love Spore.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/286918.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/286918.page GMT They released it, a couple of days ago.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/286978.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/286978.page GMT "Celebrate Darwin's 200th birthday?" Please! The man was a creep! He wasn't on the evolutionary bandwagon for the sake of truth, but for his own perverted desires!]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/356472.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/356472.page GMT "Celebrate Darwin's 200th birthday?" Please! The man was a creep! He wasn't on the evolutionary bandwagon for the sake of truth, but for his own perverted desires![/quote]

What ? He came up with the idea of evolotuion while going on a zoologist expedition for a museum.
What perverted desires are you talking about ?

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/356707.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/356707.page GMT
I know that the second video is the editor version of spore. It's unavailable. It was just the creation version. I wish it was the real version. I love spore but I would rather have that version. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/370198.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/370198.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/370641.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/370641.page GMT
Not really.

The editors are something that other games toyed with before but this is the first time there has been something along those lines that was so accesible and could create results like this.

THE REST of the game is pretty easily divided into 5 established genres. They had plenty of precednt and source material to work off of there. There is no excuse for releasing stuff that wouldn't have cut it a decade ago.

I could forgive them if they just failed to find the best use for the editor system, that could almost have been expected on a first try. What is unforgiveable is gameplay that looks silly next to flash games and abandonware.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/370702.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/370702.page GMT
Not really.

The editors are something that other games toyed with before but this is the first time there has been something along those lines that was so accesible and could create results like this.

THE REST of the game is pretty easily divided into 5 established genres. They had plenty of precednt and source material to work off of there. There is no excuse for releasing stuff that wouldn't have cut it a decade ago.

I could forgive them if they just failed to find the best use for the editor system, that could almost have been expected on a first try. What is unforgiveable is gameplay that looks silly next to flash games and abandonware.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/370706.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/370706.page GMT

testing

ok it is showing up now]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/370719.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/370719.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/370965.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/370965.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/371123.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/371123.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/371185.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/371185.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/378583.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/378583.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/423522.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/423522.page GMT Take into account how many potentially great games EA has destroyed over the years, and you'd understand our hate.
[/quote]

I used to love Seven Cities of Gold.

Maybe times have changed.

No, seriously, I did.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/434421.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/434421.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/503014.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/503014.page GMT Many good points in this thread, they view all from a profit and loss point of view, never the right thing for the right reason, in my opinion.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/506726.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/506726.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/506786.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/506786.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/633492.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/633492.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/633577.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/633577.page GMT
"You will obey us, and remove the thing saying we're facist! I don't care if it's appropriate, 'people' don't like it. OBEY!"

Of course, as a typical rule, I like mods. The ones that are actual people anyway. The invisible ones that don't actually take a part in the community could be done away with.

Also, the BBB stats had me laughing too.

[quote]These complaints concerned :
77 regarding Advertising Issues
BBB Definition:

Advertising Issues - Claims alleging print or electronic media advertised claims or practices misrepresent the service or product offer.


4 - Advertised product not available
4 - Advertised service not available
3 - Advertised terms not honored
2 - Advertisement did not disclose all conditions required to take advantage of an offer
40 - Advertisement misrepresented a product
4 - Advertisement misrepresented a service
3 - Bait & switch advertisement
11 - False or unsubstantiated claims in advertisement
6 - None of the Above - Advertising Complaint Issue

67 regarding Billing or Collection Issues
BBB Definition:

Billing or Collection Issues - Claim alleging billing errors, unauthorized charges, or questionable collection practices.


16 - Failure to correct billing errors
1 - Failure to substantiate charges
2 - Improper collection practices
14 - None of the Above - Credit, Billing or Collection Complaint Issue
7 - Unauthorized bank debits
27 - Unauthorized credit card charges

9 regarding Contract Issues
BBB Definition:

Contract Issues - Claim of alleged failure to honor contract or agreement, work performed without authorization, or invalid contract.


2 - Failure to honor a contract or agreement
7 - None of the Above - Contract Complaint Issue

107 regarding Customer Service Issues
BBB Definition:

Service Issues - Claims of alleged delay in completing service, failure to provide promised service, inferior quality of provided service, or damaged merchandise as a result of delivery service.
BBB Definition:

Customer Service Issues - Claims alleging unsatisfactory customer service, including personnel's failure to provide assistance in a timely manner, failure to address or respond to customer dissatisfaction, unavailability for customer support, and/or inappropriate behavior or attitude exhibited by company staff.


48 - Failure to provide promised assistance or support for products or services
17 - Failure to respond to phone calls or written requests for assistance or support
6 - Inappropriate behavior by customer service personnel
36 - None of the Above - Customer Service Complaint Issue

36 regarding Delivery Issues
BBB Definition:

Delivery Issues - Claims alleging delayed delivery of ordered merchandise.


2 - Late delivery of products
27 - Non-delivery of products
3 - Non-delivery of services
4 - None of the Above - Delivery Complaint Issue

22 regarding Guarantee or Warranty Issues
BBB Definition:

Guarantee or Warranty Issues - Claims alleging failure to honor the terms regarding guarantees or warranties.


3 - Disputed warranty coverage and/or terms
5 - Failure to honor service under the terms of warranties
3 - Failure to provide promised written warranty or guarantee
11 - None of the Above - Guarantee or Warranty Complaint Issue

456 regarding Product Issues
BBB Definition:

Product Issues - Claim alleging a product does not meet the expectations of the complainant, including defective merchandise.


197 - Defective, damaged, or incorrect product received
259 - None of the Above - Product Quality Complaint Issue

46 regarding Refund or Exchange Issues
BBB Definition:

Refund or Exchange Issues - Claim of alleged failure to honor company policy or verbal commitment to provide refunds, exchanges, or credit for products or services.


11 - Failure to honor promised refunds, exchanges, or credit
14 - Failure to honor refund, exchange or credit policies
21 - None of the Above - Refund or Exchange Complaint Issue

9 regarding Repair Issues
BBB Definition:

Repair Issues - Claims of alleged incorrect diagnosis of a problem, delay in completion of repair, or inferior workmanship.


3 - Delayed completion of repair
1 - Improper or inferior repair
4 - None of the Above - Repair Complaint Issue
1 - Repairs resulted in additional damage

25 regarding Sales Practice Issues
BBB Definition:

Sales Practice Issues - Claims of alleged sales presentations made in person or by telephone that contain misrepresentations of the product or service, high pressure sales practices, failure to disclose key conditions of the offer, and verbal representations not consistent with written contractual terms or agreements.


6 - None of the Above - Sales Complaint Issue
1 - Sales presentation did not disclose key conditions of the offer
10 - Sales presentation misrepresented the product
3 - Sales presentation misrepresented the service
2 - Sales presentation not consistent with advertisement
3 - Sales presentation used dishonest sales practices

47 regarding Service Issues
BBB Definition:

Service Issues - Claims of alleged delay in completing service, failure to provide promised service, inferior quality of provided service, or damaged merchandise as a result of delivery service.[/quote]
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/634499.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/634499.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/634856.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/634856.page GMT
No way am I buying RA3.[/quote]

i dont think ill buy it either it looks neat just im not ver good at finding out statagies in real time.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/634878.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/634878.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/638344.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/638344.page GMT EA SUCKS]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/638723.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/638723.page GMT personally i think EA should die]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/638736.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/638736.page GMT
Constructive critizism is a good thing for the gaming industry, crying that a CEO is trying to make more money by advertising in games is not... really, who cares? Just cuz there's an ad for Tampons doesnt mean you have to use them. But alas most of you will keep talking your crap about EA but ill see you all in Galactic Adventures, C&C, COD or whatever else they decide to release. Its funny, for all the complaining I see about EA should die, you all keep giving them your money.

Long Live EA.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/698504.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/698504.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/698685.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/698685.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/698724.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/698724.page GMT
Constructive critizism is a good thing for the gaming industry, crying that a CEO is trying to make more money by advertising in games is not... really, who cares? Just cuz there's an ad for Tampons doesnt mean you have to use them. But alas most of you will keep talking your crap about EA but ill see you all in Galactic Adventures, C&C, COD or whatever else they decide to release. Its funny, for all the complaining I see about EA should die, you all keep giving them your money.

Long Live EA.[/quote]Amen brudda!]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/698742.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/698742.page GMT
The last time I checked it was a free market enterprise system that was at work in most of the world today. If you don't like a company, or its products, you just don't buy them.

Example: I think Crest makes the worst teeth whitening products ever. They simply don't work. As a result I don't buy them because I'm not satisfied with the results. I don't mail Crest a bunch of letters, or email them, or place billboards up in an effort to stifle others. What a waste of time.

To even start a thread about EA, on an EA site about how they do business is stupid in my opinion. Just strip it out of your PC, burn the DVD, and use some of the cardboard package to pick up dog poo and get on with life. Did anyone read the Terms of Service Agreement that came with the product? It looks to me that when you click "I Agree" you no longer have much rights to anything that you make with their program. You also have no say as to what they think is appropriate or in appropriate in their forum. You're basiclly working for them and you "clicked" whatever rights you think you have away. Why cry about a choice [i]you[/i] made?

Its like being a student in a public school. As soon as you get in the door, you have almost no rights. If you contest what the teacher says, then you're at their mercy as to whether you get a detention, suspension, or anything else for that matter. That's even if the teacher is factually dead wrong. Ever been in that situation before?

It's a good program. I have fun with it. Personally, I think some of their decisions are lame and they're abusive of power at times. I also know that's what the usual tendency of imperfect people is anyway. Ever see pictures of some of the people that work for EA? To be tactful I wouldn't say they're exactly "executive". Some could use a diet, a shave, a hair cut, a little make-up and a new wardrobe, but I don't even know if they can afford all that! I'm also only saying that because I care about the physical well-being of others. =]

What's the point is trying to tar an feather people like that? [i]This is not a democracy[/i] -- it's their stuff. If they want to be liberal with it cool. If not, let them tick their customers off to the point of bankruptcy.

That's just my two cents.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/700708.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/700708.page GMT
I have never seen ads in my Spore, are they supposed to exist?
The EADM is a bit annoying when it does all it can to be running, but I haven't ever logged in to it, so it's utterly useless when running when I'm not playing anything.

[b]Edit:[/b] EA makes great GAMES but I don't get why they do such pointless wrong things to us.

[quote][i]I'm guessing that half of them were pirates, and the other half were people caught up in something that they didn’t understand. If I’d had a chance to have a conversation with them, they’d have gotten it... There are different ways to do DRM; the most successful is what WoW does. They just charge you by the month. ~ EA CEO [/i][/quote]

Maybe the most effective, but Steam is easily the best.

Why there cannot be an update that allows retail spores to be activated through Steam?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/756146.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/756146.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/756198.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/756198.page GMT EA SUCKS[/quote]

Hmm... Don't you think that's a little... Extremist? So it's not perfect, but that's just being irrational. EA really didn't do that much wrong... They're a [u]company[/u], for Spode's sake.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/773649.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/773649.page GMT
EA IS A BUNCH OF FASCISTS!

nice job with the emails. You tore Cactus butt there a new SPOREhole]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/773676.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/773676.page GMT
EA IS A BUNCH OF FASCISTS!

nice job with the emails. You tore Cactus butt there a new SPOREhole[/quote]

This is a very old thread.

Also, please watch your language.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/773684.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/773684.page GMT
The last time I checked it was a free market enterprise system that was at work in most of the world today. If you don't like a company, or its products, you just don't buy them.

Example: I think Crest makes the worst teeth whitening products ever. They simply don't work. As a result I don't buy them because I'm not satisfied with the results. I don't mail Crest a bunch of letters, or email them, or place billboards up in an effort to stifle others. What a waste of time.

To even start a thread about EA, on an EA site about how they do business is stupid in my opinion. Just strip it out of your PC, burn the DVD, and use some of the cardboard package to pick up dog poo and get on with life. Did anyone read the Terms of Service Agreement that came with the product? It looks to me that when you click "I Agree" you no longer have much rights to anything that you make with their program. You also have no say as to what they think is appropriate or in appropriate in their forum. You're basiclly working for them and you "clicked" whatever rights you think you have away. Why cry about a choice [i]you[/i] made?

Its like being a student in a public school. As soon as you get in the door, you have almost no rights. If you contest what the teacher says, then you're at their mercy as to whether you get a detention, suspension, or anything else for that matter. That's even if the teacher is factually dead wrong. Ever been in that situation before?

It's a good program. I have fun with it. Personally, I think some of their decisions are lame and they're abusive of power at times. I also know that's what the usual tendency of imperfect people is anyway. Ever see pictures of some of the people that work for EA? To be tactful I wouldn't say they're exactly "executive". Some could use a diet, a shave, a hair cut, a little make-up and a new wardrobe, but I don't even know if they can afford all that! I'm also only saying that because I care about the physical well-being of others. =]

What's the point is trying to tar an feather people like that? [i]This is not a democracy[/i] -- it's their stuff. If they want to be liberal with it cool. If not, let them tick their customers off to the point of bankruptcy.

That's just my two cents.
[/quote]

You totally just killed the vibes...lol

But I at least see your point.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/773686.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/773686.page GMT
EA IS A BUNCH OF FASCISTS!

nice job with the emails. You tore Cactus butt there a new SPOREhole[/quote]

This is a very old thread.

Also, please watch your language.[/quote]

i DID watch my language. I purposely typed the word S P O R E

trying to be funny.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/773689.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/773689.page GMT
As far as I see it, EAxis is depriving us of rights to post something saying that they're denying rights. This is incredibly ironic, as that is depriving people of the right to complain about depriving of rights...

SecuROM? I hope it doesn't incinerate my computer and delete all the data. Or make my game invalid after paying fifty bucks for it.

[quote]Hmm...if we charge five hundred thousand customers fifty bucks each for the game, then invalidate half of them and make them buy a second copy, we get 1.5 times as much money! BINGO![/quote]]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/774247.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/774247.page GMT
There's a big difference. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/775178.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/775178.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811540.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811540.page GMT
Actually, ironically enough, many of the OP's "Truths" are now "Lies." So basically, the OP is now cake.

LIE
Install limit increased from 3 to 5. ~ EA
Please Note: This is merely a "half-truth" as not everyone who purchased spore is getting 5 installs ~ See Below

TRUTH
Dairuka wrote:
The total installation attempts on the first batch of games released in the month of September have a total of 3 installations. Any other versions of the game released have a total of 5 installations, leaving those of us suckers who bought the game early, SOL.

http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page


[b]Actual Truth[/b]: You can get installations via tech support (even, GASP!, beyond five!!!!!! OHNOES!).


LIE
Legitimate users can easily achieve new activations if they run out. ~ Public Misconception

TRUTH
If you believe that, read this...
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page

Thanks Dairuka


[b]Actual Truth[/b]: Today we have an EA tech support liaison right here on the forums who readily makes lost CD-keys available to users and fixes other problems. Tech support success stories in which the user has obtained more installations are on the rise.

LIES FROM THE VIDEOS
See this thread for a detail of how we were misled about spore
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/8654.page

View the videos for yourself here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8372603330...K3_5SIqnJ4mwrQLlo4TqDg&q=spore
and
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-394434397...Wn_5SNSAIJycrAK9oozNCg&q=spore

TRUTH
What you have installed on ur system

[b]Actual Truth[/b]: An old demo or showcase of an in-development product does not equal a binding agreement with future customers to create a product exactly as seen. I think we've been down this road a lot, but people seem to have no grasp of the idea of "caveat lector" applied after an actual product is released. It's called research people; do it next time and don't just buy a product because you saw a cool demo over a year before actual release.

LIE
"...now we’re allowing more authentications and working with players to de-authenticate which makes it more in line like an iTunes." ~ Will Wright

TRUTH
Ummm....... Where's this de-authenticate wonder?? Oh yea, it doesn't exist yet o.0 so how are u allowing it now?

[b]Actual Truth[/b]
This "Lie" was actually refuted by the OP's own post. See the "lie" about 5 authentications. We also have a wonderful de-authorization tool, which, GASP! they WERE ACTUALLY WORKING ON WHILE THE OP WAS BEATING ON THEM! OHNOES! You can find it here: http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/15241.page

LIE
"I personally don't like DRM. It interrupts the user experience. We would like to get around that. But there is this problem called piracy out there." ~ EA CEO

That's actually not a lie. CEOs of companies using DRM actually believed it stopped/stops pirates, and I'm not sure how the OP thought he could refute that and it looks like he put it there just to make himself look better. It's something I think we all know.


I'd also like to point out that the whole PM conversation about "censorship" and this "freedom of speech" nonsense along with the existence of the OP is a self-defeating argument. If users were really being censored for discussing negative aspects of the product, half the feedback section would be deleted and this thread would not still be open. Not to mention that the very posting of said PM conversation was a violation of the forum rules and was allowed to continue to exist right here on the front page of this thread.

• Do not publicize private conversations between yourself and the moderators/staff Hmm, guess the OP forgot about this.

When you bought the game and signed up with your account, you all agreed to the TOS and EULA. It's a good idea to actually read these things before arguing about them.

And that whole section on in-game advertising is moot. It hasn't and likely will not have any effect on Spore in the future. If you look at gaming news these days, you'll find that in-game advertising is primarily being considered for online games like MMOs etc. where in-game billboard space is readily (and actually) available. It's kind of like the HOME system that Sony uses on their PS3s, where they advertise (and I think some other game-makers do too) on the billboards there. Basically, what the OP did was take a large statement out of context in order to start fearmongering amongst an already angry group of users.

In the end, if you step back and look at the OP's post today (which was, I might add, only 1 month after the game's release), you'll see the only truth there is that OP knows how to manipulate large groups of people into doing what he wants. He'd make a great politician.


And that's that, folks.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811586.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811586.page GMT [/quote]

I agree, the we-want-2005-video-spore threads are getting rather cliched.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811670.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811670.page GMT [/quote]

"Cliched"?

Why? Because the same sentiment is shared by a significant number of gaming enthusiasts and fans of Will Wright who bought into the deluge of pre-release hype and were disappointed by a product so naked in its attempt to appeal to the "lowest common denominator" and that failed to live up to the hype by even the wildest stretch of the imagination?


<--- Check my registered date.
Now check my Sporepedia account and note the last day of user activity.


[b][i]I spent more than two years regularly looking up information on this game, dutifully watching any and all new publicity videos released, all public demonstrations, all interviews, all articles...

...and I spent about two weeks actually playing the game before I closed it for the last time and decided it wasn't worth running on my PC ever again.[/b][/i]


I wanted to love this game...and part of me still does, I suppose that's why I'm spending any amount of time here right now.



I don't think EA or Maxis are "evil". I don't think they intentionally wanted to crush the hopes and dreams of eager gamers everywhere. I don't think they're cackling like witches and high-fiving each other when they read posts like this.

I *do* think that companies are motivated by profit like an indifferent force of nature; they have to be. Like water, they find the path of least resistance.

Whatever it was that resulted in a dev team's mistakes, lack of vision, or inability to step back and view their game from different perspectives, it wasn't a lack of resources, employees, funding, or support from EA. Maybe it was group-think, maybe they grew to love the concept so much they had already biased themselves and all become their own Yes-Men, I don't know.

[b][i]Maybe, just maybe, Maxis and EA realized that the vision being offered by the 2005 demo was too complex, too "niche", too "overwhelming" for the average gamer, and they adjusted and refocused their development path in order to capture a wider audience and a bigger sales potential...in other words, to play to the lowest common denominator.[/b][/i]

There was CONSTANT talk of Spore as a [b][i]"franchise"[/b][/i] in interviews, as the [b][i]"beginning of a new brand"[/b][/i].


I don't think Will Wright was lying when he said in an interview not long after Spore's release that he was happy with higher sales and mediocre reviews rather than stellar reviews and mediocre sales. He pretty much let the cat out of the bag there, and that was that.

"Meh" was fine, just along as lots of people bought it.


Problem is, you don't really make a successful brand without staying power, and a mediocre game perceived as a bitter disappointment by at least [b][i]a significant and vocal portion of the enthusiast gaming community[/b][/i] isn't likely to be a successful brand years down the road as [b][i]Sim City[/b][/i] or the [b][i]The Sims[/b][/i] became.


Spore is more or less dead in the water, and I [u][i]seriously doubt[/i][/u] that there will be further significant allocation of development resources for gameplay expansions or major game enhancements beyond the upcoming Galactic Adventures release. The most we're likely to see in the months and years ahead are additional themed parts packs or minor addons for Galactic Adventures (which will NOT be free).

After that, people will move on to other projects and abandon Spore (as Will Wright has wisely already done), though the game and the Sporepedia will remain in use as creative tools, which is really all Spore is; a 3D creation tool. An accomplishment to be sure, but it's not a "game", heck it's not even an experience.


I'm sure that some day some developer out there will make the kind of game that Spore COULD have been; a game that does justice to the wonders of evolutionary biology and the vastness of the cosmos....and not only that, but a game that actually has [b][i]more than skin deep gameplay and complexity[/b][/i].

It's hard to imagine a scenario in which such a development team would get as much financial backing and support as Maxis did to create a game of such potential scope, and I'm not holding my breath, but I'm positive it will happen some day.

[b][i]Spore[/b][/i] wasn't that game.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811728.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811728.page GMT [/quote]

Wasn't sure if such a word existed lol.

To answer your question, they are cliched or whatever you'd call it because if the people who requested this spent less than a minute to think, they'd know it is not possible, it is pointless and absurd to ask a company to release a demo or whatever that was that was made 4 years ago just do demonstrate the features of the final Spore they intended to release someday, and now that it is released that's the game, there's nothing we can do about it and asking them to release the demo is idiotic. What company in the world would do that?
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811860.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811860.page GMT *Snip*
[/quote]

I wonder what blackbird would say if he wasn't a sporemaster (and therefore bent to EA's will by threat of loosing that position if he goes out of line). The one Sporemaster that lost his position went on an all out rant against EA before being banned, but as there's only been one Sporemaster who got the Sporemaster title removed...

Most likely I'd think he's currently refusing to admit the horrendous inefficiency of the EA customer service department, (conspiracy) so bad you'd think its deliberate (/conspiracy), which makes getting the extra authentications difficult. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811886.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811886.page GMT
I wonder what blackbird would say if he wasn't a sporemaster (and therefore bent to EA's will by threat of loosing that position if he goes out of line). The one Sporemaster that lost his position went on an all out rant against EA before being banned, but as there's only been one Sporemaster who got the Sporemaster title removed...

Most likely I'd think he's currently refusing to admit the horrendous inefficiency of the EA customer service department, (conspiracy) so bad you'd think its deliberate (/conspiracy), which makes getting the extra authentications difficult. [/quote]

Hey Archereon, please don't make claims like that. I'm a volunteer; I don't get paid to clean up people's mistakes and do tech support all day on these forums and I'd appreciate if you wouldn't insinuate that I'm "under EA's thumb." I don't even have contact with EA aside from their tech support guy here who pretty much just says "OK, I'll take a look" when we moderators point out something in the Help section.

Also, you've got history all backwards. The Sporemaster who had his position removed did not have it removed for "ranting against EA." He made improper claims about being banned for discussing SecuROM, which caused a big gaming news snafu and then posted private discussions between himself and Maxis staff all over the forums.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811900.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811900.page GMT [/quote]

How about a company that can learn from Maxis's mistakes and our vocal disappointment?


If I didn't care, I probably wouldn't bother to say anything at all about it. There are plenty of crappy games that I've played and not given two seconds thought about afterward other than to come to the conclusion that it sucked.


I fell in love with the idea behind Spore, the concept behind what this game could've been.
I think the more people speak up and let their disappointment be known, the more of a lesson for the future Spore's development will become, and the more other developers (or Maxis themselves) will learn from their mistakes.

I want Maxis to succeed. Hell, I even want EA to succeed.

After all, I'm a gamer and they [b][i]make games[/b][/i]. The thing is....[b][i]I want them to make [u]good games[/u][/b][/i]....



No matter how much die-hard fanboys on this forum belly-ache about people like me, [b][i]you'll NEVER be able to deny that a significant number of gamers were ultimately disappointed with this game[/b][/i] and that less and less people play Spore, and that the popular public image of this game has declined a great deal in the months since its release.


I don't agree with blind hate for its own sake, [b][i]but for the love of God, there's NOTHING wrong with constructive criticism, with people saying that Maxis should've stuck more closely to the vision presented in the 2005 demo.....FEEDBACK, EVEN IF ITS NEGATIVE, IS NOT A BAD THING![/b][/i]

A game's quality isn't measured by how many people blindly defend it; a game's quality is measured by the impact it has on the community of gamers at large and the place in history it eventually comes to inhabit.

I think that Spore's story in history will be one of what *could've been* rather than what was, and I hope that those that are vocal and persistent in telling this to EA and Maxis will help to ensure that the [b][i]next game to attempt something as large in concept and scope as Spore[/b][/i] won't suffer from the same flawed judgment that ruined this game.
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Suddenly some angry users are jumping on EA for this old reason again? I thought this thread was buried too far down for any to remember its existence.

I'll admit I dislike the fact that Spore wasn't quite as good as I thought it would be, yet that's true for any game. Sadly, things get hyped up and dreams are dashed aside when reality sets in. One will always be dissatisfied with a product, though. This is how people in the gaming industry make money, and it is in human nature to tire of something or find fault with even the most mundane of things. There will never be a perfect game, aside from the legendary Pong.

As for the Customer Service I must say one thing, at least there [i]is[/i] a service available.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811946.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811946.page GMT
The reason it got buried is because most players who cared enough to voice their disappointment eventually stopped caring enough to post here at all and like the majority of all people who purchased Spore they went on to play other, vastly superior games that are worth playing.

Even Will Wright could see the writing on the wall, and he abandoned further development on the project.

Some of us are just stubborn and we keep coming back....which is probably pretty foolish since nowadays the only ones left here on the Sporum are the fanboys deluded enough to still be playing this game, so now most of the posts are just made by people like you who take every criticism of Spore as a [b][i]personal insult[/b][/i] and insist on berating the "haters" and calling them "stupid" and demanding that they leave the forums.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811970.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/811970.page GMT
The reason it got buried is because most players who cared enough to voice their disappointment eventually stopped caring enough to post here at all and like the majority of all people who purchased Spore they went on to play other, vastly superior games that are worth playing.

Even Will Wright could see the writing on the wall, and he abandoned further development on the project.

Some of us are just stubborn and we keep coming back....which is probably pretty foolish since nowadays the only ones left here on the Sporum are the fanboys deluded enough to still be playing this game, so now most of the posts are just made by people like you who take every criticism of Spore as a [b][i]personal insult[/b][/i] and insist on berating the "haters" and calling them "stupid" and demanding that they leave the forums.[/quote]
There's something you don't know, and that is you think Will Wright abandoned Spore, think again:

[b]Truth:[/b]
Will Wright has left EA:
[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30113023/[/url]

[b]LIE:[/b]
Will Wright abandoned Spore!

NOT, he's still involved:
[url]http://www.gamedaily.com/games/spore-creature-creator/pc/game-news/will-wright-confirms-future-involvement-in-spore-franchise/[/url]
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I believe I stopped posting in this thread because I had spoken my mind on the issue and settled a disagreement a few pages back. I care about Spore a great deal, yet claiming the company that made the game had lied to its customers does nothing beneficial and only causes unrest. The better solution is to post new ideas that will make Spore better in the many topics petitioning for new expansions.

Most importantly, I take any case where one berates or makes claims against another user as an insult.

Finally, I would not consider Spore as a ruined game. It is a game that is only as fun as one's own imagination. The game aspect of Spore is completely free form, and I am free to dream up any type of story when playing. Thus, Spore contains endless potential without restriction, unlike the many other 'superior' games out today with set storylines. Though that is my own opinion as a writer, and as such, you do not need to agree with me.

Edit: Allow me make a few things clear, I am not trying to prevent people from sharing constructive criticism. I merely wish to prevent conflicts and hostile posts directed at others. Further, I am only trying to express my own view on the topic, and I agree that Spore is lacking a great deal. I would like, however, to give a possible solution to the problem, rather than say the game is a failure and leave it at that.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/812145.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/812145.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/812434.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/812434.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/923763.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/923763.page GMT Marx? Karl Marx?

It seems as though your posts are to stir a revolution up against EA (The Czars) to build a army from the Forum of those who play Spore (Red Army) which against EA's company (White Army) to obtain some type of benefit (Russia -> Communism).



Just decided to post these comparisons, it was amusing to come up with them after all.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/923806.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/923806.page GMT
There was another article on the artstechnica site you posted that I found interesting though off-topc.. yet relevant.

[quote]EA is suffering some major PR problems. The company has enjoyed plenty of positive coverage over games like Dead Space and Mirror's Edge, and it has announced deals with talent like Grasshopper Manufacture, ID software, and Epic that have made its portfolio even more impressive. But the invasive and controversial DRM included in Spore and the upcoming Red Alert 3 is causing some gamers to swear off the company's work entirely. Unfortunately, the politics of piracy prevention are now hurting both EA and the gamers that want to support quality titles, [b]and it doesn't look like there will be a happy resolution in the near future[/b].[/quote]

The part in bold .. is horrible. Why doesn't EA JUST FREAKING LISTEN! RULE #1: Keep the Customer HAPPY.[/quote]
Because that would cost them money, and EA is an enormous business, Enormous Businesses can easily shrug off consumer complaints. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/923828.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/923828.page GMT [/quote]
He's probably been blacklisted from the entire Gaming industry. He didn't leave, his colleagues hated him to death, so they very reluctantly gave him spore as his last project, and they fired him without a second thought.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/923835.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/923835.page GMT
[quote=tyrannolodon][quote=RedLightning777]Nice find!!! Congratulations....

There was another article on the artstechnica site you posted that I found interesting though off-topc.. yet relevant.

[quote]EA is suffering some major PR problems. The company has enjoyed plenty of positive coverage over games like Dead Space and Mirror's Edge, and it has announced deals with talent like Grasshopper Manufacture, ID software, and Epic that have made its portfolio even more impressive. But the invasive and controversial DRM included in Spore and the upcoming Red Alert 3 is causing some gamers to swear off the company's work entirely. Unfortunately, the politics of piracy prevention are now hurting both EA and the gamers that want to support quality titles, [b]and it doesn't look like there will be a happy resolution in the near future[/b].[/quote]

The part in bold .. is horrible. Why doesn't EA JUST FREAKING LISTEN! RULE #1: Keep the Customer HAPPY.[/quote]
Because that would cost them money, and EA is an enormous business, Enormous Businesses can easily shrug off consumer complaints. [/quote]]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/925340.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/925340.page GMT Why is it still alive?! Is it a zombie now?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/925354.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/925354.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940013.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940013.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940046.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940046.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940075.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940075.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940584.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940584.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940597.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940597.page GMT
Actually this much isn't a conspiracy theory. I forget where exactly I read it (It wasan interview in a magazine) but the CEo of EA said they would be continuing with their plans to include SecureROM/DRM measures/EADM on all games for the foreseeable future, and passed off those who protested against SecureROM as being pirates (Gee thanks EA, I'm a pirate because I [i]bought[/i] your game. The pirates never complained about SecureROM... they just bypassed it)]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940617.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940617.page GMT Why is it still alive?! Is it a zombie now?[/quote]

Indeed.

I thought it died of hunger by now. No one to feed on anymore.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940640.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940640.page GMT
I'm not going to lock it as that is suppressing the opinions and thoughts of a thread which is on topic. However, instead of posting on the thread (and therefore giving it fuel) just leave it be, and most likely it will die away (probably not for ever, but it will go quicker).

SML]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940779.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940779.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940851.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940851.page GMT
now let's let this zombie die and die again!
[img]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5893/twistedlaugh.gif[/img][img]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5893/twistedlaugh.gif[/img][img]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5893/twistedlaugh.gif[/img][img]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5893/twistedlaugh.gif[/img]
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940868.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940868.page GMT
now let's let this zombie die and die again!
[img]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5893/twistedlaugh.gif[/img][img]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5893/twistedlaugh.gif[/img][img]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5893/twistedlaugh.gif[/img][img]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/5893/twistedlaugh.gif[/img]
[/quote]

yes, because reviving it will really help let it die : D]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940875.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/940875.page GMT [/quote]
He's probably been blacklisted from the entire Gaming industry. He didn't leave, his colleagues hated him to death, so they very reluctantly gave him spore as his last project, and they fired him without a second thought.[/quote]

I certainly hope not.. cause as far as I'm concerned that man has created some of the best God game there has ever been. EA has just most certainly destroyed his vision, as they are now destroying the vision of the Sims ... with Sims 3 the new console version for the PC.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/957952.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/957952.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/958411.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/958411.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155497.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155497.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155500.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155500.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155503.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155503.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155513.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155513.page GMT This topic was made in October 08! Why people keep necroing the thing is a mystery to me, since I don't see much discussion value in here (most of the EA haters either let up or left, so there's no more argument to continue). Just let it go.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155522.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155522.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155523.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155523.page GMT
don't contribute to the necro, just ignore it.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155526.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155526.page GMT
[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
EA/Maxis lied to the National Geographic

[i] they had been led to believe that the interviews were for a straight documentary about "developmental evolutionary" science[/i]
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/322/5901/531b

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
[i] "I was used," says Neil Shubin, a paleontologist at the University of Chicago in Illinois, who worries that science has been "hijacked" to promote a product.[/i]
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/322/5901/531b
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/10083.page
~ Thank you Poetry

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
All people are unhappy with Spore and have major issues with it.

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
There are people who like this Spore just fine (the demonstration-version Spore would be nice as a seperate release), and have NO aesthetic or technical issues with it.
~ hmspepper

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
Install limit increased from 3 to 5. ~ EA
[i]Please Note: This is merely a "half-truth" as not everyone who purchased spore is getting 5 installs ~ See Below[/i]

[size=14][b][COLOR=GREEN]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
[quote= Dairuka][i]The total installation attempts on the first batch of games released in the month of September have a total of 3 installations. Any other versions of the game released have a total of 5 installations, leaving those of us suckers who bought the game early, SOL. [/i][/quote]
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
Legitimate users can easily achieve new activations if they run out. ~ Public Misconception

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
If you believe that, read this...
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page

Thanks Dairuka

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i] Spore Begins With a Big Bang! One Million Games Sold and 25 Million Creations Uploaded[/i]
http://www.ea.com/read/20080924-sporemillion.xml

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
[i]Spore realised sales of 406K units[/i]
http://www.pcworld.com/article/152396/npd_xbox_360_soars_past_ps3_in_september_sales.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081017-september-npd-numbers-star-wars-trumps-flagging-us-economy.html

The claim of 25 Million Creations is also greatly exaggerated. Spore uploads every variation of a single creation, add a hat to ur creature, new creation uploaded. ~ Thanks RedLightning777

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i]“I think that, in general, a year and a half ago EA was pretty well hated -- and I think for good reasons," he says. [b]"Today, you’d be hard pressed to go to a forum and not see a lot of people defending EA and its products.”[/b] [/i] ~ EA CEO
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20655

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
You've got to be kidding!! EA is the MOST HATED developer! just google "hate EA"

[size=14][b][color=red]STRAIGHT LIES[/color][/b][/size]
[i] EA: Piracy didn't hurt 'Spore' sales[/i]
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10054438-62.html

[i]"Stepping aside from the whole issue of DRM, people need to recognize that every BitTorrent download doesn’t represent a successful copy of a game, let alone a lost sale,"[/i] ~ Mariam Sughayer of EA's corporate communications department
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20424

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
[i] Spore: Most Pirated Game Ever Thanks to DRM[/i]
http://torrentfreak.com/spore-most-pirated-game-ever-thanks-to-drm-080913/

[size=14][b][color=red]LIES FROM THE VIDEOS[/color][/b][/size]
See this thread for a detail of how we were misled about spore
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/8654.page

View the videos for yourself here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8372603330420559198&ei=K3_5SIqnJ4mwrQLlo4TqDg&q=spore
and
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-394434397798392775&ei=Wn_5SNSAIJycrAK9oozNCg&q=spore

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/b][/color][/size]
What you have installed on ur system :(

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/b][/color][/size]
[i]“So far, Spore has outsold Sims 2,” he notes. “Commercially, it’s doing very well.”[/i] ~ EA CEO
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20655

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/b][/color][/size]
[i] the updated list shows [Sims 2] in third with a total 534,000 units sold[/i]
(*Spore realised sales of 406K units*)
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17129

And that figure was ONLY for the year 2007 and did not include previous years!! The release date was September 17, 2004

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i]"...now we’re allowing more authentications and working with players to de-authenticate which makes it more in line like an iTunes."[/i] ~ Will Wright

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
Ummm....... Where's this de-authenticate wonder?? Oh yea, it doesn't exist yet o.0 so how are u allowing it now?

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i]I'm guessing that half of them were pirates, and the other half were people caught up in something that they didn’t understand. If I’d had a chance to have a conversation with them, they’d have gotten it... There are different ways to do DRM; the most successful is what WoW does. They just charge you by the month.[/i] ~ EA CEO
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/10/15/ea-ceo-half-spore-drm-protesters-were-pirates

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
The simple fact of the matter is EA's CEO refused to talk to anyone about Spore's DRM. Even before Spore was released there was a small furor about the SecuROM DRM. At NO TIME did John Riccitiello invite any discussion.

WoW's model is not the only solution to DRM...
see http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3170117
and http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2008/10/02/fallout-3-pc-to-ship-with-simple-drm

The simple fact is that DRM does NOT protect sales or products. It only impedes legitimate users. EA has yet to provide proof to support the contrary, not to mention the common sense to see beyond its greedy nose.

Calling your critical opponents pirates or stupid??? Wow, that's really gotta boost the image of EA.

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
[i]"I personally don't like DRM. It interrupts the user experience. We would like to get around that. But there is this problem called piracy out there."[/i] ~ EA CEO

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
SecuROM is not necessary to protect sales...

Sins of a Solar Empire by stardock has sold 500,000+ (surpassing SPORE sales) units with minimal DRM!
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20026

SoaSE DRM -
[i]"Here's the basic question that every publisher/gamer/developer could ask: By requiring the CD to be in the drive to play a game, even assuming that protection unbreakable, do you increase your sales?

I ask that because many gamers who are on the fence on a given title won't purchase a game if it requires them to treat their CD like a dongle key. Why? Because let's face it, we lose our CDs eventually. Or we damage them. And so what happens is that people who are on the fence on a given title simply choose not to buy the game.

By not having any CD copy protection, people who are on the fence about our game can see that it's only $40 and once it's installed on their machines (plural) they don't have to fuss with the CD anymore. [b]And we do have a type of copy protection -- free updates for customers."[/b][/i]
http://forums.galciv2.com/107193/page/3/

Thanks to Dairuka for this lead. And Pyrion for the correction.

[size=14][b][color=red]LIE[/color][/b][/size]
EA would leave the PC development market if it doesn't get its way. ~ Popular Misconception

[size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
EA wouldn't dare vacate the lucrative PC development sector. EA's shear size and profitability is a direct result of its cross platform portfolio. If EA exited PC/Mac development, it would leave a hole in the market which other developers would quickly and easily fill. By doing so, EA would shoot itself in the foot and threaten its own existence. So what if it's games get pirated, EA will still make millions off of the Advertisements that would be downloaded in the games via the EADM.

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[size=14][b]No Dissent = No Democracy[/b][/size]

[color=red]On Nov 10, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Maxis, Cactus wrote:

Hi Marx83,

While we encourage feedback, critical and positive, and open discourse in our forums, we also want to promote a positive atmosphere.

We‘re actively listening to forum participants to find ways to improve the Spore experience. If you’re unhappy with our practices, the best way to be heard is to give us constructive criticism on what you’d like to see changed. We pay attention to your feedback especially when you give us specifics, but we request that you be respectful when voicing your opinions.

You recently posted an image in your signature that says, “It’s not fascism when we do it.”

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/3412/sporecistto0.jpg

The image depicting a SPORE with a Spore logo violates our TOS concerning objectionable content. We would ask that you remove this image from your signature voluntarily as we have received complaints about it as objectionable.

Sincerely,
MaxisCactus[/color]

[color=green]From: Colyn [mailto:poprocks83@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:56 AM
To: Maxis, Cactus
Subject: Re: Your Spore forum signature image

Hello,

I understand your contacting me in regards to the referenced image. You claim that it depicts a SPORE, I disagree. There are no SPORE symbols or insignia visible anywhere in the image. On the contrary, it depicts a man holding a red flag with the spore logo. As the image does not depict a SPORE, I'm sure you'll agree this issue is resolved.

Thank You,
Colyn a.k.a. Marx83
[/color]
[color=red]On Nov 11, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Maxis, Cactus wrote:

Hi Colyn,

Thanks for understanding. Our forum guidelines ask that you respect the decisions of our moderators and staff.
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/4.page

The image you posted is an altered version of one copyrighted by OLD American Century, found here: http://www.oldamericancentury.org/image_gallery/image_gallery2.htm

All images in the galleries are copyright 2004-2008 Project for the OLD American Century, however you have full permission to post them wherever you like so long as the images are not altered in any way other than resizing them.

Please remove the image as it constitutes copyright infringement which violates our TOS.

Thank you,
Maxis Cactus[/color]

[color=green]From: Colyn [mailto:poprocks83@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:13 PM
To: Maxis, Cactus
Subject: Re: Your Spore forum signature image

Hello,

I appreciate your reply. The image does not constitute copyright infringement under the law. The image, in whatever original form has never been registered for copyrights. The image you reference at old american century has rights pertaining to THAT version of the image. In other words, the image is public domain and its usage as I have it has no copyright and does not constitute copyright infringement. Please see http://www.copyright.gov/title17/ for copyright law.

Thank You,
Colyn a.k.a. Marx83

As the image has been changed from its original intended meaning, it is now considered "derivative work"
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[color=red]On Nov 11, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Maxis, Cactus wrote:


Hi Colyn,

Still, we expect you to respect the decisions of the moderators and staff.

From our guidelines:
Guidelines - Posting etiquette
• Work out differences politely
• Be respectful when posting about religious, political, or otherwise controversial content

Behavior – Help keep the forums a fun place to discuss Spore

Moderators and Staff – We’re here to help
• Respect the decisions of the moderators and staff

This has been reported to us by other forum members as offensive, and we are asking you to remove it.

Thanks,
MaxisCactus[/color]

[color=green]From: Colyn [mailto:poprocks83@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:50 PM
To: Maxis, Cactus
Subject: Re: Your Spore forum signature image

Hello,

I understand that you have labeled the image as "offensive". I truly do not see how anyone could come to that conclusion. Could you please advise me as to how the image is offensive?

Thank You,
Colyn a.k.a. Marx83[/color]

[color=red]On Nov 11, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Maxis, Cactus wrote:

This is offensive to us because it links Spore with Fascism, an ideology that we don’t support. The issue is not up for debate.

You are required by the forum guidelines to respect the decisions of the staff. I ask you to remove the image by the end of the day today. If you are unable to respect the forum guidelines, your forum privileges will be temporarily suspended.

Thanks,
-MaxisCactus[/color]

[color=green]Hello,

Yes, the image does link Spore with Fascism. I ask that you take a step back and analyze this situation. In the Spore universe you have the "power" and can exercise that power as you see fit. Regardless of the medium used for my expression, you are exercising your "power" to limit my rights as an individual. This by the very definition is Fascism, you see the image as offensive because it represents your desire to limit my free will. I had hoped that this dialog would have progressed in a more positive fashion, but I see now that objective is impossible.

I will not concede my rights as an individual, you will have to strip them from me. You've proven that you are willing to take the first step towards Fascism and have lost every shred of respect. I pity you, and hope that one day you'll regain your humanity.

Best Regards,
Colyn a.k.a. Marx83[/color]



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[size=14][b]Other Things You Should Know![/b][/size]

[list]In-game advertising is in ~ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10065899-52.html
[i]"The quick answer is, of course we would partner with them and anybody else who would write us a check."[/i]
[color=green]What about all the customers who write you checks every day?? Aren't they partners?[/color][/list]

[b]In-Game Advertising[/b]
Our games may incorporate dynamic advertisement serving technology offered by Massive Inc. or IGA Worldwide Inc. (“Ad Providers”), which enables advertising to be temporarily uploaded into the game on your PC or console, and replaced while you play online. Ad Providers only log information that is needed to measure presentation of, and serve advertising to the appropriate geographic region, and to the right location within the game. Logged data may include Internet Protocol Address or player’s user name, in game location, length of time an advertisement was visible, size of the advertisements, and angle of view. Your game may be assigned an id number, which is stored on your PC or console, and used by Ad Providers to calculate the number of unique and repeat views of dynamic in game advertising. The id number is not associated with any personal data. No logged information is used to personally identify you. The servers used by the Ad Providers may be located outside your country of residence. If you reside in a Member State of the European Union, the servers may be located outside of the European Union. This ad serving technology is integrated into the game; if you do not want to use this technology, do not play the game while connected to the Internet. For more information concerning Massive Incorporated, please visit http://www.massiveincorporated.com. For more information concerning IGA Worldwide Inc., please visit www.igaworldwide.com.
http://legal.ea.com/legal/legal.jsp?language=en

[list]Sims 3 To Have In-Game Advertising ~ http://industry.bnet.com/advertising/1000252/iga-scores-more-in-game-advertising-for-sims-3/[/list]
[list]What happens when a developer asks pirates "Why?" http://www.sakuafk.com/2008/08/17/yar-a-game-developer-talked-to-pirates/[/list]
[list]Check out the GAMERS BILL OF RIGHTS, championed by Game Developer http://www.stardock.com/about/newsitem.asp?id=1095[/list]
[list][url=http://www.gamepolitics.com/2007/08/16/electronic-arts-creates-revisionist-history-on-the-wikipedia]EA Creates Revisionist History on Wikipedia[/url][/list]
[list][url=http://www.ripoffreport.com/searchresults.asp?q5=Electronic+Arts&Search=Search&q1=ALL&q4=&q6=&q3=&q2=&q7=&searchtype=0&submit2=Search%21]EA's Rip Off Report[/url][/list]
[list][url=http://goldengate.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=99&bbb=1116&firm=64196]EA's Abysmal Record from the Better Business Bureau[/url][/list]
[list]EA/Maxis was asked if they [url=http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/30/10708.page]with held content to sell as expansions[/url]. To date, no response has been given.[/list]

Stand for your rights as a player! Show your support!

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Will be updated as I find/research more... PM me with anything u find, and i'll add it to the list.
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[i]The following is purely a theory which attempts to explain why EA would push the issue of SecuROM (even tho it knows SecuROM is a failure) and to extrapolate further including EA's stated future plans. Again, please note that this is just a THEORY, albeit a very plausible one.[/i]

[b]Conspiracy [i]Theory[/i][/b]

So, i've been thinking about EA's recent moves, and have come up with a possible theory... First, the facts -

[list]EA will make the EADM required in all future games.[/list]
[list]SecuROM requires a "phone home" re-authentication every 10 days or your game stops working. [color=green]EA has since recinded this requirement, thanks to all the complainers[/color][/list]
[list]EA has begun implementing in-game advertising.[/list]

Our buddy Johnny (EA's CEO John Riccitiello) has said he's going to implement in-game advertising in the near future so he can make more money. Johnny needs to make sure that the infrastructure for such a system exists before rolling the program out. Johnny knows that people don't want advertisements in their games, and if he moves to fast, he'll loose everything.

Under the guise of "piracy", Johnny installs SecuROM on all his players systems. To make sure players sign on to download new advertisements for their games, he makes sure your game becomes unplayable after 10 days offline. Johnny knows that this is probably the hardest hurdle to cross over, so he picks the game title most likely to penetrate the market. Johnny chooses Spore, knowing many want this game and it's backed by one of the industry leaders, Will Wright.

Johnny was prepared for the backlash against SecuROM, it's his most necessary component to success. Johnny began a dehumanizing campaign against those who opposed SecuROM by labeling them Pirates. He hopes this strategy will divide the players as they squabble against themselves, distracting them from the big picture. To hide the EADM, Johnny chooses the best practice, hide it in plain sight.

EADM is released with SecuROM and goes largely unnoticed. All the while the EADM is downloading content into players games. Little does anyone know, that this same EADM will be the source for all future advertisements. By tying EADM into the game, Johnny ensures that players cannot block out the advertisements without damaging their game. The second piece of the plan is put in place, quietly and successfully.

Johnny's still worried that if players succeed in damaging the most critical component, the SecuROM, his entire plan falls. So he plows over his opposition by releasing 2 blockbuster hits into the market, both carrying his advertisement dreams. Sims 3 and Red Alert 2 are both poised to be downloaded and installed on millions of computers world wide. Johnny thinks to himself, there's no way anyone could stop 3 trains.

[i]One Year Later[/i]

Johnny's plan was a huge success. He now has advertisements running in all games and millions of extra dollars rolling in ever 2 weeks. Johnny smiles to himself as he mulls over his genius.

[quote= JohnnyPie][b]Previous to this theory, EA decided to back down from the 10 day re-authentication program.[/b]
http://games.slashdot.org/games/08/05/09/2318229.shtml[/quote]
My thanks to JohnnyPie for announcing this victory :D[/quote]

TL : DR]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155634.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155634.page GMT
For the love of all such gods as be....


DON'T, PLEASE, DON'T quote the entire first post....

My brains hurt.... oh]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155638.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155638.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155689.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155689.page GMT
Sorry if I offended anyone.

Oh and... Why isn't this locked?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155747.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1155747.page GMT
I think they are just interested in making money, not the satisfaction of the customer.
reading this i feel cheated

but ya. me if i don't like ea i just buy and play games from other good companies.
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156065.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156065.page GMT
I hate EA from the very bottom of my heart (and I have a deep heart), but not because of Spore. If it were only Spore, I wouldn't really care.

No; it was the fact that they killed SimCity which made me hate them for life. And a lot of the stuff they pulled with Sims 2 and 3.

Basically, EA has been killing Maxis slowly. I suspect that by Sims 4 that series will be dead, and that will make Will Wright's two greatest creations have failed due to EA.

R.I.P. SimCity series. I suspect Spore and Sims will soon be joining you in your degraded, oversimplified hell. But maybe not. If EA can pull it together before Sims Three falls, there might be hope yet.

Here's hoping, anyway.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156128.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156128.page GMT
i]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156197.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156197.page GMT [/quote]
Yep. Luckily, there's Monty Cristo with CitiesXL. I've played it, and it's as good as SimCity4 at least, maybe even better.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156208.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156208.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156215.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156215.page GMT
I disagree with much of the new info.

Spore On ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156223.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156223.page GMT
I think Marx was originally talking about the fact that the game didn't meet his expectations, not that he disliked EA.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156225.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156225.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156259.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156259.page GMT
If anyone can struggle through the 28 pages of arguing, I took the side of Maxis and Haxorzunited14 took the side of Anti-Maxis and we covered this (although Haxorz claimed I didn't say anything about it) a few times over, if anyone cares.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156416.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156416.page GMT
However...

The douchy PM part was the only funny bit for me, Reminds me of the EAUK forums.

[img]http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh15/mistercrulll/Fascists.jpg[/img]


Seems they are all the same.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156436.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156436.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156458.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156458.page GMT
That is Marik i believe...Marek Steele was an Imperial pilot in Star Wars "Mythology".]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156491.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156491.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156550.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156550.page GMT
Nine months hasn't changed the truth.

I just find it ironic that the Spore fanboys are the ones that keep reviving the thread in order to defend the object of their affection. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156596.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156596.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156685.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156685.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156690.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1156690.page GMT

If this is what you do all day you're a loser.
That was aimed at author of first post.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1183965.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1183965.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216881.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216881.page GMT [/quote]
Looking at the earlier posts here.....
Ummmm...
Maybe mine was a waste of space, because a LOT of people hate this topic.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216887.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216887.page GMT
Nine months hasn't changed the truth.

I just find it ironic that the Spore fanboys are the ones that keep reviving the thread in order to defend the object of their affection. [/quote]
Excuse many people for not checking when the thread popped up. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216892.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216892.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216897.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216897.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216936.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216936.page GMT
All of you SHUT UP! *seethe* *seethe*

If you want this thread to die, then LET IT DIE! And saying 'let this thread die' will NOT help! Its like saying shut up to make things quieter! How about, someone asks a sporemaster to lock it?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216943.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216943.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216944.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216944.page GMT
DID YOU HEAR WHAT I JUST SAID? ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216949.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216949.page GMT
DID YOU HEAR WHAT I JUST SAID? [/quote]

yes, and the ironic thing is what you just said goes against your own rule! ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216954.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216954.page GMT
DID YOU HEAR WHAT I JUST SAID? [/quote]

yes, and the ironic thing is what you just said goes against your own rule! [/quote]


.....


I wish there was a *facepalm* emote on this.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216984.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216984.page GMT
DID YOU HEAR WHAT I JUST SAID? [/quote]

yes, and the ironic thing is what you just said goes against your own rule! [/quote]


.....


I wish there was a *facepalm* emote on this.[/quote]

you just did it again!

I will not post anymore on this thread! I forebode it!]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216989.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216989.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216998.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1216998.page GMT
I.
Hate.
You.
Morethanbadsporumgrammarandspelling.*

Get rid of that link RIGHT NOW!

I had to close it with task manager, which forced me to close down ALL THE PAGES!
It almost counts as a VIRUS LINK!

*OK, not four. But I can only count to four ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217004.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217004.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217009.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217009.page GMT
I.
Hate.
You.
Morethanbadsporumgrammarandspelling.*

Get rid of that link RIGHT NOW!

I had to close it with task manager, which forced me to close down ALL THE PAGES!
It almost counts as a VIRUS LINK!

*OK, not four. But I can only count to four [/quote]

hold down enter]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217013.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217013.page GMT
A simple necro, which is not that much of a necro, considering they posted an opinion, especially when done by a newbie.

Followed by 50 totally foreseeable posts of

"NEENER NEENER NEENER", "Don't TOUCH me!" and finally, good ol' Ben Kane with the Rick Rolling.

Aaaah. Life on the Sporum. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217503.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217503.page GMT MKC's]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217521.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217521.page GMT
A simple necro, which is not that much of a necro, considering they posted an opinion, especially when done by a newbie.

Followed by 50 totally foreseeable posts of

"NEENER NEENER NEENER", "Don't TOUCH me!" and finally, good ol' Ben Kane with the Rick Rolling.

Aaaah. Life on the Sporum. [/quote]

Yet another intelligent post by you! Are you the sporum shaman?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217608.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217608.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217623.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217623.page GMT
If you have a comment or a question pertinent to the topic of a thread that has been inactive for awhile, what do you do?

Post to the relevant thread and have to suffer a countless number of pointless spam posts all saying, "OMG! someone necro'd this thread", or start a new thread and suffer the onslaught of the other arm of the self appointed forum police as they spam the new thread with cries of, "Duplicate! Duplicate! Lock! Lock! Lock!".

If a thread was not open to additional comment it would have been locked. Have a little faith in the administrators of the forum who do a thankless job on their own time, they will lock the threads that have no need for additional comment, if you think they missed one then use the PM function to point out their lapse in duty with an explanation as to why, in your opinion, the thread should be locked.

Also, take note of the forum guidelines, which clearly state:

[b]• Do not create multiple threads for one topic or post your thread in every category[/b]

[color=red]There is [b]NO[/b] guideline or rule that states:
• Do not post to a thread that has been inactive for more than five minutes[/color] (or any other arbitrary period of time).

If you're ever faced with the choice of posting an on-topic comment or question to an old thread, or starting a new thread duplicating the topic, do the former, it's what the guidelines say you should do and it keeps all the information of the same ilk in one place.

Frog

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217950.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1217950.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218087.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218087.page GMT
Well, that's "kinda" what I mean about posts that are not on the topic of the thread. Keeping it alive just for the purpose of posting becomes spammy in a hurry.

So that's where some reasonableness comes in... You invite in a whole other group of mobsters when you do that (mostly the ones posting "don't spam and rickrolls).]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218124.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218124.page GMT
Well, that's "kinda" what I mean about posts that are not on the topic of the thread. Keeping it alive just for the purpose of posting becomes spammy in a hurry.

So that's where some reasonableness comes in... You invite in a whole other group of mobsters when you do that (mostly the ones posting "don't spam and rickrolls).[/quote]

the reason I don't want to let this die is because, obviously maxis aren't that dumb to sticky a thread that could hurt their company, so I'll do the next best thing: keep it alive. The new users will see it and realise what ea and maxis are doing to the gaming world.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218144.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218144.page GMT
Well, that's "kinda" what I mean about posts that are not on the topic of the thread. Keeping it alive just for the purpose of posting becomes spammy in a hurry.

So that's where some reasonableness comes in... You invite in a whole other group of mobsters when you do that (mostly the ones posting "don't spam and rickrolls).[/quote]

the reason I don't want to let this die is because, obviously maxis aren't that dumb to sticky a thread that could hurt their company, so I'll do the next best thing: keep it alive. The new users will see it and realise what ea and maxis are doing to the gaming world.[/quote]why do you even come here if you hate them]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218155.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218155.page GMT [/quote]

I think you mean me? ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218166.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218166.page GMT
There is a reason this is not like a news article. Its that every company has ex employees who hate them. Heck, they have CURRENT employees who hate the -- they are just smart enough to not say so in public, but they probably complain around the office. Everybody has them and knows who they are...

Long hours and little recognition is part of the programming world. Marketing and Executives always make promises that programmers find it impossible to keep 100%, and then they get chewed on because of either the company or the fan's disappointment.

When I think of "GREAT LIES", I think of religious and political subversion and manipulation.

Maxis is just a dang game company.

They are capable of ANNOYING LIES, or PERFIDIOUS LIES, but GREAT LIES, nah, I think not....

This OP just let it mean too much to him, don't make the same mistake.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218187.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218187.page GMT
There is a reason this is not like a news article. Its that every company has ex employees who hate them. Heck, they have CURRENT employees who hate the -- they are just smart enough to not say so in public, but they probably complain around the office. Everybody has them and knows who they are...

Long hours and little recognition is part of the programming world. Marketing and Executives always make promises that programmers find it impossible to keep 100%, and then they get chewed on because of either the company or the fan's disappointment.

When I think of "GREAT LIES", I think of religious and political subversion and manipulation.

Maxis is just a dang game company.

They are capable of ANNOYING LIES, or PERFIDIOUS LIES, but GREAT LIES, nah, I think not....

This OP just let it mean too much to him, don't make the same mistake.[/quote]

Why should I give up on making a game better? I don't care if it was only like 50$, those s**t heads took my money, I'm gunna show how crap EA is.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218212.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218212.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218254.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218254.page GMT
Use this to kill the thread.

Then leave, I'll show you to the door even.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218768.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218768.page GMT
Use this to kill the thread.

Then leave, I'll show you to the door even.[/quote]

Well, that added SOOOO much to the discussion. Thank You!]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218792.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218792.page GMT

So who's gonna kill this thread?
That was super-bumped?

key word: super-bumped]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218799.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218799.page GMT
Oh, I'm not giving up on making the game better either!

Not by a long shot, brother!

But perpetuating THIS thread is not going to make anything special happen...

What you need to do is post your ideas in the feedback section. Or do some reading there, and throw your support in for people like PacoPaco and others who have mapped out changes in ways that programmers understand.

A thread like this is just so much yelling. It doesn't really say what YOU want to change -- And they do listen to us in the feedback section. I've had them pm me for clarification, and other employees post right in the threads.

We just got asymmetry.

Don't waste your time waving this old flag -- go start a thread in feedback, or support on of the existing ones with your ideas.

I'm dead serious about that. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218812.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218812.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218817.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218817.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218989.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218989.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218997.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1218997.page GMT
For who? People traveling to October 2008 in their time machines?

The information is outdated and there's good bit of it that has no basis anymore.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219010.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219010.page GMT

My cat just sniffed my heel.

fo real.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219040.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219040.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219049.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219049.page GMT

Please?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219058.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219058.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219060.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219060.page GMT
I'm on the east....

Anyways, that was quick!
XD]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219077.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219077.page GMT
look what I found in blackbird's sig ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219099.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219099.page GMT I still have my eye on them though.

I think this thread should be put to rest now. Poor thing is tired. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219101.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219101.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219110.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1219110.page GMT
I agree, though I think its more the tactics, vs the software's programming quality.

I thought spore had come around, which to a great deal has for some people, then even more wordplay and deception in the new expansion pack. (one that really bugs me is the fact that I cannot beam down to a planet, and nothing on the box even hints that I cannot. Oh well.. it figures. In my humble opinion.



]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1220668.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1220668.page GMT I think they were obviously surprised when people actually got there hands on the editors and started making things that they didn't think were possible. The assemetry and floating limb glitches are two great examples of are capabilities.
Now I will say that Maxis has been listening to us more as of late. The community has risen up and expressed there anger. GA despite its many flaws is still a amazing product and really saved spore from completely dying out. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1220671.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1220671.page GMT I think they were obviously surprised when people actually got there hands on the editors and started making things that they didn't think were possible. The assemetry and floating limb glitches are two great examples of are capabilities.
Now I will say that Maxis has been listening to us more as of late. The community has risen up and expressed there anger. GA despite its many flaws is still a amazing product and really saved spore from completely dying out. [/quote]

the most likey reasons (atleast the most likely reasons i can think of) as to why they "broke" spore before releasing it and as to why EA are acting the way they are, are as follows:

1.) Scaracity: the more people want something and the less there is of it, the higher they can charge for it

2.) EA is a business, the goal of a business is to make profit, anything else is a secondary concren, that includes the law, your wants/needs/dreams, and all practical fairness/earnistness in runnning said business.

3.) by "breaking" the game and then selling it that way, they can make money off of patches and expansions that they otherwise would have never been able to sqeeze out of us.

4.) by "breaking" the expectations we had for GA it allowed them to quickly release it, making it seem like a godsend until it was purchased, and by then its too late, and opening the door for them to "listen to their consumers and "fix" it" later, thereby earnign them false credit in the eyes of their consumers (you) while making them yet MORE money on MORE expansions/patches/etc.

5.) By "dumbing the game down" a larger target audicence was ensured, do you realize that by making the rating for Spore 10+ unstead of 15+ they have effectively doubled their target market? (that is why it seems they think we are all "retarded 10 year-olds" its because that is who they marketed the game towards, while leaving things like they insanely boring spacestage for adults, ensuring that anyone loder than 12 would complain their a$$es off. Thus allowing them to claim that any further patches and expansions are a direct result of them "listening to their consumers wants and needs" rather than the truth of them manipulating us so that they can make more of a profit.

6.) advertizing in games is something that is NOT going to go away, that pandora's box has been opened and will not be shut anytime soon. that is a fact. we may not like it, (hell we may want to riot over it) but its the fact of the matter. Too much profit can result from it and no laws prohibit it, therefore its free game. :/

Hope that clarifies things

- OWEED]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1239163.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1239163.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1239170.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1239170.page GMT
lmao thats sad...but soo true xD]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1239205.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1239205.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1239584.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1239584.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1239629.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1239629.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1239723.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1239723.page GMT
Well you must have either downloaded the game or saved the game files from the CD onto your computer.

Thats the only way to play without a disk

(to play without the download manager, save the game files onto your system and play from there, or make a shortcut to it on your desxtop ^_^)

BTW: Here is the official threads concerning the ads in spore (some of them anyway)
[url]http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/34594.page[/url]
[url]http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/10728.page[/url]

- OWEED]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1250406.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1250406.page GMT I was surprised to hear about the whole Natgeo incident..Lol spore came out on my birthday. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276642.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276642.page GMT I must ignore it and continue in my spore "career"..............]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276723.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276723.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276743.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276743.page GMT
Well you must have either downloaded the game or saved the game files from the CD onto your computer.

Thats the only way to play without a disk


- OWEED[/quote]

No. You are mistaken about this. You CAN play without the disk, even if you did not buy online.

While some people have had issues getting it to work, EA has given us the solution of being able to register our copies of GA online, and then install from the downloader.

This worked for me, but has not worked for everyone. They are working on a fix, however.

http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/32040.page

There are many of us who use netbooks or tablets which don't have integrated DVD drives.

MAXIS WAS VERY RESPONSIVE ON THIS ISSUE.

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276921.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276921.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276922.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276922.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276928.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276928.page GMT

tsk tsk tsk.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276937.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276937.page GMT

tsk tsk tsk.[/quote]

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276955.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1276955.page GMT And now I've posted a string of smilies as well! Another well thought out post bites the dust. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277051.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277051.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277057.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277057.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277067.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277067.page GMT
That was predictable.

Let me offer this little idea.

You obviously recognized the thread. Why open it at all? And more to the point, why post this, which offers nothing other than logging your dislike of the content.

Don't like it? Don't read it.

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277114.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277114.page GMT
That was really rude.

I think you need to work on your temper

i have a dry sense of humor.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277126.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277126.page GMT
But, I get tired of (in effect) being told to "shut up" every time I turn around.

In this case "let it die", repeated over and over, amounts to the same thing.

I don't read things that don't interest me, unless I think I can offer some help. Telling people to "shut up" is not helpful.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277131.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277131.page GMT
And i credit you with that burden.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277139.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277139.page GMT
But, I get tired of (in effect) being told to "shut up" every time I turn around.

In this case "let it die", repeated over and over, amounts to the same thing.

I don't read things that don't interest me, unless I think I can offer some help. Telling people to "shut up" is not helpful.[/quote]I'm pretty sure he was joking with that dry sense of humor of his, unless you are too? Geez people just resort to puns or something a little more obvious

Edit: darn you low bandwidth you let him beat me to it, why do I pay for you anyways?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277141.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277141.page GMT
And i credit you with that burden.[/quote]

Sorry, sometimes I'm really literal. I have a kind of autism, called Asperger's syndrom. Most of us are very bright, but we tend to be very literal. And I'm sort of a goof, anyway. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277149.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277149.page GMT
And i credit you with that burden.[/quote]

Sorry, sometimes I'm really literal. I have a kind of autism, called Asperger's syndrom. Most of us are very bright, but we tend to be very literal. And I'm sort of a goof, anyway. [/quote]hmm I've just heard that from someone else not five minutes ago in the science forum , kinda ironic...]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277160.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1277160.page GMT
Use this to kill the thread.

Then leave, I'll show you to the door even.[/quote]
No way, I gotta 12-gauge shotgun. *pumps shotgun and catches shell before it hits the ground* Trust me, it'll do the trick. Loudly.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286132.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286132.page GMT [/quote]
Actually, I will never play Dead Space for a number of reasons, and I heard C&C: Red Alert 3 was below-average. But still, me and mister 12-gauge shotgun will make sure people stop reviving this post.
*chik-chik*
Spore is awesome, who cares what's going on behind the curtains?
Haters. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286143.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286143.page GMT
And i credit you with that burden.[/quote]

Sorry, sometimes I'm really literal. I have a kind of autism, called Asperger's syndrom. Most of us are very bright, but we tend to be very literal. And I'm sort of a goof, anyway. [/quote]hmm I've just heard that from someone else not five minutes ago in the science forum , kinda ironic...[/quote]

Nope, just the internet. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286154.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286154.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286227.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286227.page GMT [/quote]
Actually, I will never play Dead Space for a number of reasons, and I heard C&C: Red Alert 3 was below-average. But still, me and mister 12-gauge shotgun will make sure people stop reviving this post.
*chik-chik*
Spore is awesome, who cares what's going on behind the curtains?
Haters. [/quote]
Red Alert 3 is above flipping fantastic, ignore those West Wood studios fanatics. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286228.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286228.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286233.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286233.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286238.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286238.page GMT [/quote]
Actually, I will never play Dead Space for a number of reasons, and I heard C&C: Red Alert 3 was below-average. But still, me and mister 12-gauge shotgun will make sure people stop reviving this post.
*chik-chik*
Spore is awesome, who cares what's going on behind the curtains?
Haters. [/quote]

Whaaaa...

YOU revived it, and yet revile people for reviving it? **oh nurse!**

Look this was pure spammage, leading to more spam.

There have been several revivals of this thread for more or less legitimate reasons (although the OP doesn't make much of a case for himself if you take away the rant-propping fire and brimstone and innuendo).

Either way. Don't wake up threads for pure nonsense, please. Especially threads like this one.

If you have something to add besides sound effects, do it. Otherwise, you're just being a pain. And not a funny one.

Happy now? ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286399.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1286399.page GMT http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-394434397798392775&hl=en
but no!
they took some good stuff out
like the hut editor and trading card game ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1289311.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1289311.page GMT http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-394434397798392775&hl=en
but no!
they took some good stuff out [/quote]
Again? For Spode's sake, let it die! I know it was just a day, but this thing keeps getting bumped.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1289324.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1289324.page GMT
If it's content relative, post.

If not, go find something "real" to post in.

*** must. keep. Control. of. sarcasm***

Geez, and MKSTEALTH isn't here yet?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1289359.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1289359.page GMT
If it's content relative, post.

If not, go find something "real" to post in.

*** must. keep. Control. of. sarcasm***

Geez, and MKSTEALTH isn't here yet?[/quote]

you rang

but with all seriousness im pretty sure everyone who is of sane minds agree that we should just let this thread die right?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1289366.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1289366.page GMT
If it's content relative, post.

If not, go find something "real" to post in.

*** must. keep. Control. of. sarcasm***

Geez, and MKSTEALTH isn't here yet?[/quote]you rang

but with all seriousness im pretty sure everyone who is of sane minds agree that we should just let this thread die right?[/quote](Sarcasm turn on) NOOOO! We must not let those corporate big wigs at EA and Maxis torture us with their evil capitalistic ways!(Sarcasm turn off)

Seriously: Let this die!]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1289389.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1289389.page GMT [/quote]
Actually, I will never play Dead Space for a number of reasons, and I heard C&C: Red Alert 3 was below-average. But still, me and mister 12-gauge shotgun will make sure people stop reviving this post.
*chik-chik*
Spore is awesome, who cares what's going on behind the curtains?
Haters. [/quote]
Red Alert 3 is above flipping fantastic, ignore those West Wood studios fanatics. [/quote]
Okay. The main reason it got my attention was I found RA3's soundtrack whist surfing Youtube.
Grinder 2 is an awesome song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sobZprOcfkw]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1293187.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1293187.page GMT
If it's content relative, post.

If not, go find something "real" to post in.

*** must. keep. Control. of. sarcasm***

[b]Geez, and MKSTEALTH isn't here yet?[/b][/quote]

Ha, i get it, in actuallity Maxis and EA are both not maniacal, hell your precious Coke uses child labor ;]]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1293225.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1293225.page GMT
There are studies that suggest child labor in under-developed countries is important towards bootstrapping their economy.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1293887.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1293887.page GMT I know! I'll do everything that's locked all my rants about creation stealers!
Spam, ranting, and random insults will lock this thread forever!
CHARGE!
You suck you suck you suck! I say to no-one in perticilar, but the idea is to lock the thread!
MMMMMMM...
Bleeble Blob Bloo!
I hate you, you d**! I say again, to no-one in the community!
B**** C*** motherf***er A** S***!
poop]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1295202.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1295202.page GMT
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Please.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1304257.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1304257.page GMT
And this thread is so regular. It migrates to the top every time somebody gets mad

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1304462.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1304462.page GMT
TRUTH
You've got to be kidding!! EA is the MOST HATED developer! just google "hate EA"

and in game advertising already exists.

Wellll, only in online games.
but it exists!
Ive played a game where the adverts were on the floor so you would click on them while trying to move your charicter.
You had to move across this line to get away from it.

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1304844.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1304844.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477371.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477371.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477449.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477449.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477686.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477686.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477690.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477690.page GMT

Saying "lol col i agre" isn't contributing, is it?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477726.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477726.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477738.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477738.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477747.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477747.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477753.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477753.page GMT

I don't know. It's mainly people who don't have any counter-arguments.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477758.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477758.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477776.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477776.page GMT [size=14][b][color=green]TRUTH[/color][/b][/size]
You've got to be kidding!! EA is the MOST HATED developer! just google "hate EA"
[/quote]
Hate EA- 1,020,000
Love Ea -32,800,000
More than 32 times the amount!
[color=red][size=24][u][b][i]Failure![/i][/b][/u][/size][/color]]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477835.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477835.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477839.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477839.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477879.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1477879.page GMT
Results 1 - 10 of about 184,000 for "Hate EA". (0.34 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 25,700 for "Love EA". (0.23 seconds)

You need to add the quotes, otherwise you get junk results.

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1478251.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1478251.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1497203.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1497203.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1497224.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1497224.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1497247.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1497247.page GMT
Secondly, why should it die if contributions are still being made? ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1497252.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1497252.page GMT
Secondly, why should it die if contributions are still being made? [/quote]

Because everybody can't help but notice it. So why don't the people who want it to die, just ignore it?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1503948.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1503948.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1503955.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1503955.page GMT Legitimate users can easily achieve new activations if they run out. ~ Public Misconception

TRUTH
If you believe that, read this...
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page

Thanks Dairuka

[/quote]

I got another activation easily
]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1503963.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1503963.page GMT [/quote]
Well bumps are positively charged posts and this is a negatively charged thread. Just apply simple magnetics here.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504079.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504079.page GMT [/quote]
Because noobs always go for the controversy. Also, I've seen that [i]everyone[/i] has something to say on this, no matter how many times it's been said before, how stupid, or how outdated it is.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504088.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504088.page GMT [/quote]
Well bumps are positively charged posts and this is a negatively charged thread. Just apply simple magnetics here.[/quote]




That statement wins!]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504139.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504139.page GMT [/quote]
Well bumps are positively charged posts and this is a negatively charged thread. Just apply simple magnetics here.[/quote]

You, Sir, deserve 5 stars.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504148.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504148.page GMT Legitimate users can easily achieve new activations if they run out. ~ Public Misconception

TRUTH
If you believe that, read this...
http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page

Thanks Dairuka

[/quote]

I got another activation easily
[/quote]

The first time I called they gave me a bunch of grief about it, and wouldn't do it.

About 6 months later, I called for a totally different reason, and mentioned it while I was talking to the new guy.

He asked me for the history of reinstalls on the game, and I told him about the repeated hdwr faliures and upgrades. He was like "Wow, you have the dates, and the receipts for the the new hardware -- no problem! And he opened up three installs on it.

Which was really cool.

But what I gave him was the exact same info I gave the first guy, who treated me like a thief -- so I think they must be trying to do things better in customer service. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504595.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504595.page GMT Amen.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504597.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504597.page GMT
Ah, nostalgia. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504616.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504616.page GMT
Ah, nostalgia. [/quote]

I have tried everything else. I will now exorcise the glitch demons.

I majored in music, and the history of western music is the history of the church. So I have plenty of church latin.

I took 5 years of it in school -- from the same guy who taught my mother! It was one of the best things I ever did for myself.

Any language where you have to guess at the spoke part is difficult. I had a wonderful professor in college who knew 17 "living" languages and 22 "dead" ones. He'd spent a lot of time learning languages we can only approximate or assume the sound of. I'm a bit like that with french. I blunder my way thought it alright, but have these strange shocky moments when I realize connections between some spoken french and something I read.

I took three years of greek, two of hebrew and one of aramaic, but am ashamed to admit that I remember very little other than a load of root words.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504769.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504769.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504825.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504825.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504828.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504828.page GMT
We ARE trying. Give me a little credit here. Not wanting to do something so blatant as putting black icing all over the thread... ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504844.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1504844.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1512275.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1512275.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1515614.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1515614.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1515645.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1515645.page GMT
We're talking about EA lying. This is the thread for that. I'm not going to make a whole other thread just because I want to say somthing about this topic. Now please...

EA is going to run out of ideas. Including lies. It's only a matter of time before they have to tell the truth, or stay honest to their word. Of course they will probobly just leave before that happens.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1518680.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1518680.page GMT
"They" can do business as usual and we can come to our own conclusions in the end.

Which is the way the world works.

The only people who can ask for (and possibly get) unlimited accountability is parents to children.

And personally, when my kids said "not your business, I can handle it", I let them.

EA's accountability is severely self-limited. Meaning, if you don't like it, don't keep buying it. And that's, undoubtedly all you, or anyone else, is going to get.

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1518970.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1518970.page GMT
We're talking about EA lying. This is the thread for that. I'm not going to make a whole other thread just because I want to say somthing about this topic.[/quote]


you probably didn't even know about the topic and probably wouldn't have known the topic even existed if someone hadn't bumped it back to page one.....which has been a lot of people....LadyDarkrai was the last one to bump this back to page one.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1518977.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1518977.page GMT
We're talking about EA lying. This is the thread for that. I'm not going to make a whole other thread just because I want to say somthing about this topic.[/quote]


you probably didn't even know about the topic and probably wouldn't have known the topic even existed if someone hadn't bumped it back to page one.....which has been a lot of people....LadyDarkrai was the last one to bump this back to page one.[/quote]

Get you and your oversized ego off the internet. We can post if we want to post. Regardles of the age of the thread. If it was really that big a deal, there would be an autolock feature for posts. Now please stop trying to control our speech, and GTFO.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519071.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519071.page GMT
I would not take part of said change, however. Simply because, I see they have done nothing wrong and I have far more important things to worry about.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519104.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519104.page GMT Get you and your oversized ego off the internet. We can post if we want to post. Regardles of the age of the thread. If it was really that big a deal, there would be an autolock feature for posts. Now please stop trying to control our speech, and GTFO.[/quote]

wow...i was but merely bringing up a point and you say i have an oversized ego. really? you obviously haven't seen anyone that has an oversized ego, cause that was me merely stating a point: you wouldn't even known about the thread if it hadn't gotten bumped back to page one.


your the one with the big ego, not me. you feel that since i don't want this thread to live, i should be banished from this thread and leave the internet.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519147.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519147.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519229.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519229.page GMT
thats what i've been saying....]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519232.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519232.page GMT
thats what i've been saying....[/quote]

Ignore it...And after a while ill take care of it with a 50cal.! ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519257.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519257.page GMT
thats what i've been saying....[/quote]

Ignore it...And after a while ill take care of it with a 50cal.! [/quote]
You just bumped it. >_>]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519265.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519265.page GMT
thats what i've been saying....[/quote]

Ignore it...And after a while ill take care of it with a 50cal.! [/quote]
You just bumped it. >_>[/quote]

You bumped it to...Kinda...]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519267.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519267.page GMT
mwahahahahah... ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519440.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519440.page GMT
mwahahahahah... [/quote]

at this point, i could care less....derail away.


*flys off*]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519462.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519462.page GMT
mwahahahahah... [/quote]

And I am toying with the idea of keeping an eye on this thread in order to remind certain people that violations of the forum guidelines will result in a suspension. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519463.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1519463.page GMT

EA has earned a lot of enemys within the last couple years. I really want to see them crumble under their, or our weight. But, that would mean that all of the Spore servers would stop working. Unless Spore would go completly to Maxis. That's my dream. But, it's just a dream...]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520707.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520707.page GMT
To be honest, this thread has been hammered to death. I mean it has been killed, shot, hanged, drawn and quartered, buried in multiple graves all over the world, dug up again, beaten with a club, kicked, drowned, bathed in acid and then buried again, etc. etc.

A lot of the points that the OP makes are not even valid anymore because when the game was first released, EAxis hadn't done X or Y, but now they have. With the exception of, well, you, I guess, everyone has seen this thread and we're all pretty tired of seeing it because it's completely meaningless and no matter how hard you want to believe it, one person posting his desire to see an enormous company fail on a gaming forum is not going to make it happen.

Now I'm not saying you can't post here; you can. I'm just saying, posting in this thread as if it still had a purpose is like insisting to your friends that Spotty the dog who died last year is still alive and then you bring out the corpse and parade it around. People are going to want to stay away from you for obvious reasons.

Do so at your own risk.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520783.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520783.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520788.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520788.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520793.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520793.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520805.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520805.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520942.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520942.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520945.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520945.page GMT
Of course it's not Marx's worst thread. It's their BEST thread.

I just reread the OP. With the exception of the deauthorization tool and the increased number of installs, everything there is still true and valid.

I'm just surprised I'd only posted in this thread three times before...

(And warmslime, yes, page lag. *heh* But it's easy enough to circumvent.)



]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520969.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1520969.page GMT
Of course it's not Marx's worst thread. It's their BEST thread.

I just reread the OP. With the exception of the deauthorization tool and the increased number of installs, everything there is still true and valid.

I'm just surprised I'd only posted in this thread three times before...

(And warmslime, yes, page lag. *heh* But it's easy enough to circumvent.)



[/quote]

It would be a good thread, if it wasn't bombarded with necros.
Have you seen 'Proof,' though?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521016.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521016.page GMT
Honestly, no I haven't.

But if you say it's worse than this thread, I'm willing to believe you! ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521018.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521018.page GMT
Honestly, no I haven't.

But if you say it's worse than this thread, I'm willing to believe you! [/quote]

http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/11792.page

It's included in the OP of this thread, unfortunatly.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521028.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521028.page GMT
Oh THAT! Yes! I DO remember that! I was here as it happened.

"It's not fascism when we do it!"

Priceless.

I believe the "do not post private conversations" guideline was created because of that thread...]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521037.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521037.page GMT
What banned moderator? ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521053.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521053.page GMT
What banned moderator? [/quote]

Qua? I didn't catch the reference in BB's post...

The only "banned moderator" in know of is a sporemaster that was here just before I arrived. They appearantly told people that if they were banned from the Sporum, they would also be banned from logging into Spore. Lots of people believed the statement, there were a few gaming news articles about it, but it wasn't true. That sporemaster was then canned (at least, as much as a volunteer [i]can[/i] be "canned").]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521057.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521057.page GMT
What banned moderator? [/quote]

edited, bad idea

Just don't bump it and don't discuss it here.

Actually now that I come to think of it, do, maybe they'll finally decide to delete this and ban everyone ever posted in it.

Check PMs]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521070.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521070.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521268.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521268.page GMT
Honestly, no I haven't.

But if you say it's worse than this thread, I'm willing to believe you! [/quote]

http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/11792.page

It's included in the OP of this thread, unfortunatly.[/quote]

this guy is pretty intent on insulting maxis and EA, isn't he ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521302.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521302.page GMT
Honestly, no I haven't.

But if you say it's worse than this thread, I'm willing to believe you! [/quote]

http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/11792.page

It's included in the OP of this thread, unfortunatly.[/quote]

this guy is pretty intent on insulting maxis and EA, isn't he [/quote]

'It's not facism when he does it!']]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521308.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521308.page GMT [/quote]

A lot of us were insulted by EAxis first. We're just "doing onto others as they've done onto you."]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521311.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521311.page GMT [/quote]

A lot of us were insulted by EAxis first. We're just "doing onto others as they've done onto you."[/quote]

Are EAxis facist?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521313.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521313.page GMT
Honestly, no I haven't.

But if you say it's worse than this thread, I'm willing to believe you! [/quote]

http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/11792.page

It's included in the OP of this thread, unfortunatly.[/quote]

this guy is pretty intent on insulting maxis and EA, isn't he [/quote]

'It's not facism when he does it!'[/quote]

he should just stop bashing EA and join the school debate club.

"I got spore, and I will not let you take away my rights as an american! You'll have to take it away by force!"]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521315.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521315.page GMT
"Fight fascism with fascism."

Of course, the biggest fascist always ends up silencing the lesser fascists.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521317.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521317.page GMT
No. They're worse. They're capitalist. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521319.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521319.page GMT
EDIT: Oops. Sorry, I meant a CAPITALIST company that makes fail threads complaining about as.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521320.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521320.page GMT
It's a little ridiculous and I am sorry I ever contributed to it.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521323.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521323.page GMT
It's a little ridiculous and I am sorry I ever contributed to it.[/quote]

blackbird, as a mod, you shouldn't add a tiny period to get around the word filter.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521332.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521332.page GMT
It's a little ridiculous and I am sorry I ever contributed to it.[/quote]

blackbird, as a mod, you shouldn't add a tiny period to get around the word filter.[/quote]

It's a stupid filter anyway.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521335.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521335.page GMT Because will wright came in and [i]described[/i] a game idea and they let him do it.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521343.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521343.page GMT
EDIT: Oops. Sorry, I meant a CAPITALIST company that makes fail threads complaining about as.[/quote]

Actually, EA is a capitalist company that tells the media that anyone who doesn't buy their software is either a pirate or stupid.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521350.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521350.page GMT
I'll never be thankful that I got Spore. I would, however, be thankful to have my $50.00 refunded. However, EA's money-grubbing tactics prohibit them from spending money in order to make their customers happy.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521354.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521354.page GMT
That's not capitalism, that's just corporate whining by frustrated marketers. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521359.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521359.page GMT
I'll never be thankful that I got Spore. I would, however, be thankful to have my $50.00 refunded. However, EA's money-grubbing tactics prohibit them from spending money in order to make their customers happy.[/quote]

It's called buisness.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521362.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521362.page GMT
True. But it's also a failure to secure REPEAT business.

Since the release of Spore, EA has lost over $500 in purchases that I had previously intended to make. My money has instead gone to their competators. Businesses who do not treat me like a criminal or a fool. With customer service departments that do not fill me with despair and indignation whenever I have to call them.

EA's inability to say "We're sorry for the problems you've experienced. Let us issue you a refund" has assured that the $50.00 I paid for Spore is the last of my money they will ever receive.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521382.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521382.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521397.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521397.page GMT [/quote]

Probably as soon as the fas... I mean, capitalists realize that there's no profit in it.

Of course, there's really very little profit in having the Sporums at all...]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521406.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521406.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521644.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521644.page GMT [/quote]

Agreed. This has been over necroed.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521691.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521691.page GMT

that "Proof" thread just proves what kind of guy this Marx was....he thought EA and Maxis were facist and wanted to control us......

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521694.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521694.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521785.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521785.page GMT
However, Tom, I guess you are so smart that you already knew that.

And I suggest you all drop the subject concerning him, you don't know anything about him.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521841.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521841.page GMT
However, Tom, I guess you are so smart that you already knew that.

And I suggest you all drop the subject concerning him, you don't know anything about him.[/quote]

Yes, because I know how important it is for someone halfway across the world who I am unlikley to ever meet to think I am mature.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521850.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1521850.page GMT
However, Tom, I guess you are so smart that you already knew that.

And I suggest you all drop the subject concerning him, you don't know anything about him.[/quote]

Yes, because I know how important it is for someone halfway across the world who I am unlikley to ever meet to think I am mature.[/quote]
Maturity on the Internet: Serious Buisness.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1522246.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1522246.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1523715.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1523715.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1523858.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1523858.page GMT
It's not hurting me ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524042.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524042.page GMT

SM Blackbird Edit: Profanity removed.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524260.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524260.page GMT
Please review the guidelines.

• Work out differences politely
• No personal attacks: don't flame, troll, insult, harass, threaten, rant
• Keep posts clean: free of vulgarity, racism, profanity, and bigotry ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524359.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524359.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524586.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524586.page GMT

maybe they would look on you better if you stopped posting on this thread.....read OneBlackbirds post that was right after yours on page 38]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524600.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524600.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524669.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524669.page GMT

well they didn't even say anything bad about you to begin with so i don't know why you are complaining they are treating you like a baby ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524676.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524676.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524682.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524682.page GMT
I've reviewed all the posts here recently and no one is "treating you like trash." In fact a large number of the recent posts have nothing to do with you and more to do with either dislike of this particular thread or else EA as "Fascist."

To be honest, you're the only one I've seen leveling insults at anyone.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524687.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524687.page GMT
It's not hurting me [/quote]

I take that as an insult. You might not, but I do.

Plus, I've been emotionally punished throughout my usage of the Sporum. And I'm getting pretty sick of it. Plus, who gives if I curse one time? Who could possibly find offense to it?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524711.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524711.page GMT
[url=http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/43209.page#1397887][color=CrazyShyness]Here[/color][/url] ya go!]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524717.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524717.page GMT
It's not hurting me [/quote]

I take that as an insult. You might not, but I do.

Plus, I've been emotionally punished throughout my usage of the Sporum. And I'm getting pretty sick of it. Plus, who gives if I curse one time? Who could possibly find offense to it?[/quote]

A) Ashkelon never insults anyone, she certainly didn't insult you

B) i've seen you around the Sporum, and you've insulted people more than you've been insulted...believe me

C) who cares if you curse? its against forum guidelines for a reason]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524718.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524718.page GMT
Mayhaps?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524722.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524722.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524723.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524723.page GMT
It's not hurting me [/quote]

I take that as an insult. You might not, but I do.

Plus, I've been emotionally punished throughout my usage of the Sporum. And I'm getting pretty sick of it. Plus, who gives if I curse one time? Who could possibly find offense to it?[/quote]

You found offense in comment that was in your favor about a sandbox and you're asking how people are supposed to not take offense at use of profanity, which violates the guidelines?

This discussion is over. If you or anyone else wants to discuss this further, it belongs in PMs.

EDIT: okknaggs88, I'm pretty sure you know the guidelines by now, so I'd suggest editing your post rather quickly so as not to be offensive. • Work out differences politely ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524724.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524724.page GMT
Dad left, car broke. No money. Sorry people.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524728.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524728.page GMT

thank you....and with that said:

[b]let this die[/b]]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524737.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524737.page GMT
It's not hurting me [/quote]

I take that as an insult. You might not, but I do.

Plus, I've been emotionally punished throughout my usage of the Sporum. And I'm getting pretty sick of it. Plus, who gives if I curse one time? Who could possibly find offense to it?[/quote]

You found offense in comment that was in your favor about a sandbox and you're asking how people are supposed to not take offense at use of profanity, which violates the guidelines?

This discussion is over. If you or anyone else wants to discuss this further, it belongs in PMs.

EDIT: okknaggs88, I'm pretty sure you know the guidelines by now, so I'd suggest editing your post rather quickly so as not to be offensive. • Work out differences politely [/quote]
Please Blackbird, just lock this thread.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524754.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524754.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524762.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524762.page GMT Stop bumping the SPORE thread and let it die.
This way, when the OP returns, he can reanimate it.

Untill then, everyone shut up and let the stupid thread die!]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524767.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524767.page GMT
Thread found necro'd. Smells of rot, like bad eggs. Like dead dog in alley. Vodoo shaman responsable unknown. Zombie keeps babbling about the suspected facism of EA/Maxis.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524770.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524770.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524774.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524774.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524775.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524775.page GMT
Thread found necro'd. Smells of rot, like bad eggs. Like dead dog in alley. Vodoo shaman responsable unknown. Zombie keeps babbling about the suspected facism of EA/Maxis.[/quote]

So what do you think tomorrow will say?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524777.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524777.page GMT
*Grabs popcorn and watches people argue about thread bumping*]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524791.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524791.page GMT
[quote=Luminar]could we please just destroy it forever already so we don't have to see it again?[/quote]

[quote=DragonEye4]Let this worthless flame thread die.[/quote]

[quote=ChaosHarbinger]Why not just bring out your alter ego OneBlackbird and end this before it continues? [/quote]

[quote=BenKane]when will this thread just get locked [/quote]

[quote=MKCSTEALTH][b]let this die[/b][/quote]

[quote=DragonEye4]Please Blackbird, just lock this thread.[/quote]

Having reviewed the last 10 pages or so to collect these wonderful quotations, I have come to the realization that a large quantity of posts here in the last few weeks/months are nothing more than prolonged arguments between users or off-topic conversation.

Your deliverance is here. The lock goes on the thread. Of course that doesn't mean someone won't get angry in the future and make a similar thread, but I don't want to see copy-pastes of the OP here and I don't want to see people yelling at users who make angry threads. Feedback is feedback, except when it's not.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524801.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/9135/1524801.page GMT