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				<description><![CDATA[ just wonderin how many people have noticed this too . . .<br /> <br /> Between the overactive events box in the "My Spore Page" and the "New users in last 24 hours" from that same box <br /> <br /> Its becoming obvious that this game is "Dying on the Vine"<br /> <br /> <br /> Yes Spore activity is fading away.<br /> <br /> New users in last 24 hours: 5874<br /> <br /> and check your achievements page sometime<br /> You may be the only one on that page actually playing<br /> Seems like all my buddies vanished last month<br /> and they were avid supporters.<br /> <br /> And the bugs in the Spore forum haven't even been worked out yet.<br /> Not to mention the bugs in the Sporepedia<br /> Much less the bugs in the actual game]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well as a coincedence I visted a couple of my game stores today.<br /> <br /> The shelves were filled with copies of Spore.<br /> They can't get them sold.<br /> <br /> Normal version and Galactic versions.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The only hope for spore is for EA to have just one spark of intelligence and have Maxis make science Spore...Otherwise spore is going to stay shelfed.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Its definately not taking of like EA thought it would.    I have bought it, enjoy it, but when my three installations are up, it deinstalled and trashed.   I will not be calling EA to re-activate it, not worth my time.   That and many other reasons is why I will not be buying a parts pack that likely will also have the install limits.<br /> <br /> Honestly the Draconian DRM of Spore has sucked much of my enthusiasm from the game.  Never before had I have to worry about installing a game on a computer and it not working.   I have many old games that time to time I play just for kicks, sadly Spore will not be in that stack.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=rupertlittlebear]<br /> <br /> and check your achievements page sometime<br /> You may be the only one on that page actually playing<br /> Seems like all my buddies vanished last month<br /> and they were avid supporters.[/quote]<br /> <br /> I can't speak for everyone, but, uh, I've only gotten one achievement in the last month and I still play every day.  Since I've already gotten most of the "easy" achievements, and haven't really been putting much effort into getting the harder ones, since I prefer just playing the game my *own* way.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ "XFire doesn't matter blah blah blah"<br /> <br /> Still:<br /> <br /> Xfire Rank  <br /> #30  down from #25 yesterday<br /> Highest: #4 on 2008-09-09 <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ This is a good thing....it may push EA to make an update rendering the SecuRom Inert.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ It may also cause EA to pull the plug and drop the game after the expansion.<br /> <br /> Bye bye support.<br /> Welcome pirates.<br /> <br /> The DRM isn't the main cause.<br /> Its because the game we have is not Spore.<br /> Naturally the DRM only added fuel to the anger.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Guess so....but i am thinkin that the 2009 expansion will finally give us...spore]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Parvati]It may also cause EA to pull the plug and drop the game after the expansion.<br /> <br /> Bye bye support.<br /> Welcome pirates.<br /> <br /> The DRM isn't the main cause.<br /> Its because the game we have is not Spore.<br /> Naturally the DRM only added fuel to the anger.[/quote]<br /> I really have no problem with the game itself, it was well worth the box price. It may not have been everything it could have been, but what game ever was.<br /> <br /> The DRM and blatent money grab with the parts pack are my miffs, and combined they are fatal.   I likely would have passed on buying three copies of Spore (one for self and each of two kids), if I knew at release what I know now.  I might have bought one a copy for my youngest, she likes it and will likely bore of it before the expansion is out.<br /> <br /> If they remove the SecureROM, I might consider recommending it to others, but now I don't.    I am picturing that when my three installs are up, not only do I loos use of Spore, but all the expansion packs tied to it.    Too big of gamble for me.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Ascus]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Ascus]*snip*[/quote]<br /> <br /> Well....I'm not ashamed to admit that I have followed Spore everywhere I could since it was announced.<br /> Oh yea, I was really into it. (Now I do feel a bit silly for spending all the money on it <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" /> )<br /> <br /> I bought the game, played it inside out just to make sure that I wasn't missing the game they had shown me for 3 years. Then I discovered that basicly nothing of the original game was present...then I got bored as well.<br /> <br /> If I knew how the game had turned out, I wouldn't have bought it. <br /> To me it wasn't worth the price but thats all just personal experience right.<br /> If your daughter grows bored of it fast that says enough I think <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Parvati][quote=Ascus]*snip*[/quote]<br /> <br /> Well....I'm not ashamed to admit that I have followed Spore everywhere I could since it was announced.<br /> Oh yea, I was really into it. (Now I do feel a bit silly for spending all the money on it <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" /> )<br /> <br /> I bought the game, played it inside out just to make sure that I wasn't missing the game they had shown me for 3 years. Then I discovered that basicly nothing of the original game was present...then I got bored as well.<br /> <br /> If I knew how the game had turned out, I wouldn't have bought it. <br /> To me it wasn't worth the price but thats all just personal experience right.<br /> If your daughter grows bored of it fast that says enough I think <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> <br /> I totally agree with you on every level possible...that's exactly the way it happened for me.]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Hellgaze]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Spore, with Buy It Now (not counting shipping) is $16.45. Shipping is +$13.99.  <br /> <br /> Galactic Edition: $59.99 +Free Shipping<br /> <br /> Again, with Buy It Now. <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ There's also a dozen or so auctions with starting bids around $10.  A lot of them don't have any bids at all.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Would it be possible for the most unimaginable thing to actually happen?<br /> <br /> Spore fails?<br /> <br /> Scary.....]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Parvati]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Its already on that road....lets hope it gets a flat tire before that...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=MinionJoe]There's also a dozen or so auctions with starting bids around $10.  A lot of them don't have any bids at all.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Seriously, with SecuROM restrictions would [i]you[/i] buy a copy from eBay? I wouldn't chance buying what is essentially a paperweight. As it is, the game is not resellable. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Hellgaze][quote=Parvati][quote=Ascus]*snip*[/quote]<br /> <br /> Well....I'm not ashamed to admit that I have followed Spore everywhere I could since it was announced.<br /> Oh yea, I was really into it. (Now I do feel a bit silly for spending all the money on it <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" /> )<br /> <br /> I bought the game, played it inside out just to make sure that I wasn't missing the game they had shown me for 3 years. Then I discovered that basicly nothing of the original game was present...then I got bored as well.<br /> <br /> If I knew how the game had turned out, I wouldn't have bought it. <br /> To me it wasn't worth the price but thats all just personal experience right.<br /> If your daughter grows bored of it fast that says enough I think <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> <br /> I totally agree with you on every level possible...that's exactly the way it happened for me.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Ditto!  I was blown away by the 30-minute video halfway through Freshman year of college, which would have been January of 06.  I've obsessed over the game since then.  Signed up for the newsletter as soon as it was possible to do so...not that I ever got any e-mails.  A memo about "taking the game in the opposite direction from the one we originally stated" would have been awesome.<br /> <br /> Apparently I didn't keep enough of an eye out to notice what they were doing over the last few years...but I guess that's my fault?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Guineh]As it is, the game is not resellable. [/quote]<br /> <br /> That doesn't seem to stop people from trying to sell their used copies.  Oddly enough, starting bids are a LOT higher on them. *shrug*<br /> <br /> (Edit:  I should've clarified in my previous post.  The $10 starting bid auctions are "brand new, never opened" copies.  Looks like stores are already trying to clear Spore off their shelves.)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Well, a [i]new[/i] copy from Ebay would be fine, assuming the seller is honest. But for that, you need only to look at their feedback. I never buy anything without checking the seller's feedback first.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=MinionJoe]There's also a dozen or so auctions with starting bids around $10.  A lot of them don't have any bids at all.[/quote]<br /> <br /> You look for the ones that say "NEW SEALED" and the seller has a high feedback rating (I go for 99.x%).  That way, if it isn't what they said, you can usually work with them, rather than have a vanish seller.  Plus, if they don't listen, you can file with E-Bay and [i]GET YOUR MONEY BACK[/i].]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote]Ditto!  I was blown away by the 30-minute video halfway through Freshman year of college, which would have been January of 06.  I've obsessed over the game since then.  Signed up for the newsletter as soon as it was possible to do so...not that I ever got any e-mails.  A memo about "taking the game in the opposite direction from the one we originally stated" would have been awesome.<br /> <br /> Apparently I didn't keep enough of an eye out to notice what they were doing over the last few years...but I guess that's my fault?<br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> No it's not they screwed every1 over thats why you see so many complain threads on this forum.<br /> <br /> <br /> It's like watching a Fallout 3 gameplay video and instead getting E.T.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ LOL<br /> <br /> No it wasn't your fault.<br /> None of my newsletters told me this.<br /> <br /> Then again, I only got to play with the CC when I flew to the US just for Spore. Who can do better ? <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" /><br /> <br /> Oh and leipzig I did as well ...I was and still am crazy about the game.<br /> Maybe the reason why I am so vocal about how cheated I feel.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Jackuul]You look for the ones that say "NEW SEALED" and the seller has a high feedback rating (I go for 99.x%).[/quote]<br /> <br /> Actually, I don't look for anything.  I don't buy from eBay.<br /> <br /> Was just pointing out that there were a lot of cheap auctions for Spore.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ EA probably assumed Spore would be a smash hit, so they churned out millions of copies. But with the disappointment of fans and the DRM controversy, the market is now saturated with a game that few want to buy. Hence, the influx of cheap auctions on Ebay.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Oh, internet sarcasm.  Some day I'll make you work...  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" /> <br /> <br /> And I know exactly what you mean, Parvati...I'm still obsessing over the game I *should* have right now.  I like the current incarnation of Spore, because the creators are still cool and it's better than nothing.  But it's kind of bittersweet because every time I play, I get into at least one situation where I think, "Boy, if this was Spore '05, this part would be SO COOL."]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Yea man, for me its the behavioural code.<br /> Thats the thing I always obsessed about, it was all these games AND a pet game at the same time.<br /> <br /> Agh <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" />]]></description>
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				<author><![CDATA[ Parvati]]></author>
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				<description><![CDATA[ What bugs me, with all this talk about ebay and the game being cheaper already (MUCH CHEAPER).. To add the fact that people are STILL selling it online used even, its apparent that EA's tactics have caused them many more problems than I think they realize.  Why cant they just deliver a good game, listen to their fans, give decent patches... etc etc...  instead they just see fit to rip us off.  Never will I run out and support EA  the way I did in the past.  Midnight at walmart in this case to get this errr..  ummm.  abomination.<br /> <br />   I dont really care what happens to this game, or to EA at this point... they all deserve it (the suits not the workers).  I hope too that EA doesnt get "bailed out" so to speak.  These companies need to start paying for what they do.  Then and ONLY then will they start doing whats right, and make good games again.  And perhaps they will think twice when they want to break oh so many promises.<br /> <br />   I *HAD* high hopes for this game because of the simple fact that it had MAXIS written on it.   Its apparent though maxis is dead, what they were is gone... overshadowed by the greed, and power of EA  . Shame on you EA .. shame.  Its sad though, in the end.. I think its the fans that will pay.. and be replaced by a new set of "puppets" so to speak.  <br /> <br />  <br /> <br /> IMHO! <br />  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm waiting two weeks after November to get the parts pack via Ebay for a buck. <br /> <br /> That's inviting a loss. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Sigh. I still wish SPORE would have it's glory parade. So far it's been a journey downhill.<br /> <br /> This game could have been something, sadly corporate greed got in the way.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Ascus]Its definately not taking of like EA thought it would.    I have bought it, enjoy it, but when my three installations are up, it deinstalled and trashed.   I will not be calling EA to re-activate it, not worth my time.   That and many other reasons is why I will not be buying a parts pack that likely will also have the install limits.[/quote]<br /> <br /> You should call them up for reinstation, and when it does give them hell for the inconvenience. I mean really lash out against them. If they don't resolve your need immediately, ask for a manager and rip into THEM!<br /> <br /> Honesly, if I have to call a company to install a game I legitimately paid for it will bring out a monster in me.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Worldbreaker276]The only hope for spore is for EA to have just one spark of intelligence and have Maxis make science Spore...Otherwise spore is going to stay shelfed.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Hear, hear!<br /> <br /> [quote]Well....I'm not ashamed to admit that I have followed Spore everywhere I could since it was announced.<br /> Oh yea, I was really into it.<br /> <br /> ...<br /> <br /> If I knew how the game had turned out, I wouldn't have bought it. [/quote]<br /> <br /> Ditto. QFT<br /> <br /> [quote]Apparently I didn't keep enough of an eye out to notice what they were doing over the last few years...but I guess that's my fault? [/quote]<br /> <br /> No...even if you'd have been paying attention, Maxis/EA did their level best to gloss over the fact that Spore has been essentially reamed, with all the science ripped out, turned into little more than one of those Japanese dress-up-doll games (anyone ever play [u]Dead of Alive: Beach Volleyball[/u]? Kinna like that). Anybody who saw and loved the 2005 demo and was inspired by its premise can be excused for seeing what they wanted to see; Maxis didn't ever explicitly detail the changes that had come about due to the CTC (Cute Team Coup).<br /> Don't blame yourself, this is Maxis/EA's fault.<br /> <br /> ...which makes me wonder about the resounding silence; no reaction from Maxis or EA about the reception of Spore. [i]SALES[/i] of Spore, maybe, and how many creations have been uploaded, but nothing about the critical reaction, nothing about the community reaction. <br /> That alone should tell you something; even [i]they[/i] know that Spore will not be the franchise they'd hoped, not like TheSims.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=rupertlittlebear]just wonderin how many people have noticed this too . . .<br /> <br /> Between the overactive events box in the "My Spore Page" and the "New users in last 24 hours" from that same box <br /> <br /> Its becoming obvious that this game is "Dying on the Vine"<br /> <br /> <br /> Yes Spore activity is fading away.<br /> <br /> New users in last 24 hours: 5874<br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> I haven't read the whole thread, so I apologize if this has been mentioned already. The "common wisdom" in the gaming industry is that 80% of a game's sales will be had in the first two weeks, and that the remaining 20% is over the rest of it's commercial availability, which may be years.<br /> <br /> So the fact that there's a huge fall-off more than a month after release is not at all surprising.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=NecroBones][quote=rupertlittlebear]just wonderin how many people have noticed this too . . .<br /> <br /> Between the overactive events box in the "My Spore Page" and the "New users in last 24 hours" from that same box <br /> <br /> Its becoming obvious that this game is "Dying on the Vine"<br /> <br /> <br /> Yes Spore activity is fading away.<br /> <br /> New users in last 24 hours: 5874<br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> I haven't read the whole thread, so I apologize if this has been mentioned already. The "common wisdom" in the gaming industry is that 80% of a game's sales will be had in the first two weeks, and that the remaining 20% is over the rest of it's commercial availability, which may be years.<br /> <br /> So the fact that there's a huge fall-off more than a month after release is not at all surprising.<br /> <br /> [/quote]<br /> <br />  That falloff IMHO you talk about is usually not accompanied by a large section of the fanbase boycotting, posting their dislike, leaving on account of the bull and just plain fed up, as I am.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=RedLightning777]<br />  That falloff IMHO you talk about is usually not accompanied by a large section of the fanbase boycotting, posting their dislike, leaving on account of the bull and just plain fed up, as I am.<br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> As many of us are. This is not merely a post-opening weekend drop-off, this is all but [i]rebellion.[/i]<br /> <br /> There's a difference.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The first parts pack will define the success of spore.<br /> <br /> When only 250,000 people buy it, EA is going to panic.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote]So the fact that there's a huge fall-off more than a month after release is not at all surprising. [/quote]<br /> <br /> Incorrect.  The falloff of Spore players on Xfire is far worse than other high-budget titles.  Go look at the graph there, it's quite sobering.  <br /> <br /> By rank, Spore has gone from #20 to #30 in the last week.  There are bargain bin titles that more people are playing.<br /> <br /> The number of players per day has dropped in half recently.<br /> <br /> The Metacritic userscore stabilized a month ago.  AT 4.5 OUT OF TEN.  <br /> <br /> That's a failing grade.<br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=ghadis]The Metacritic userscore stabilized a month ago.  AT 4.5 OUT OF TEN.  <br /> <br /> That's a failing grade.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Will Wright said he'd rather have the Metacritic of the Sims 2 than the Metacritic of Half-Life.<br /> <br /> Just as long as he also got the sales of Sims 2, rather than the sales of Half-Life.<br /> <br /> Standing at 2 million copies sold, with a bleak forecast on expansions; I highly doubt Will Wright will get either.<br /> <br /> I for one fear EA pulling the plug, and leaving all of us with bricked copies because we can't access the DRM license servers; just like the spore-holes at Yahoo! Music and Walmart Music did to their legitimate MP3 customers.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Dairuka]<br /> Will Wright said he'd rather have the Metacritic of the Sims 2 than the Metacritic of Half-Life.<br /> <br /> Just as long as he also got the sales of Sims 2, rather than the sales of Half-Life.<br /> <br /> Standing at 2 million copies sold, with a bleak forecast on expansions; I highly doubt Will Wright will get either.<br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> Yes, agreed. I think Maxis may well be over-estimating their potential audience for Spore expansions; the base Spore sales might be high, but many of us have decided that we won't get fooled again; I think Spore peripheral sales will be anemic [i]at best,[/i] and I hope Maxis/EA take it to heart [i]WHY.[/i]<br /> <br /> I suspect, as some do, that they'll take it as a failure of Spore as an idea, rather than a result of the Cute Team Coup (CTC) buggering up the game. And they'll use that suspicion to deem Spore a failure and never revisit it.<br /> I'm trying to do my part to dispel this mind-set; Spore has failed [i]BECAUSE[/i] of the CTC, because the science--and hence, the fun--was leeched out of Spore. Please join me in trying to send that message to Maxis and EA; if they hear it, maybe we'll prevail in the end and get the [i]real[/i] Spore we all want someday.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=RocketGirl]I suspect, as some do, that they'll take it as a failure of Spore as an idea, rather than a result of the Cute Team Coup (CTC) buggering up the game. And they'll use that suspicion to deem Spore a failure and never revisit it.<br /> <br /> I'm trying to do my part to dispel this mind-set; Spore has failed [i]BECAUSE[/i] of the CTC, because the science--and hence, the fun--was leeched out of Spore. Please join me in trying to send that message to Maxis and EA; if they hear it, maybe we'll prevail in the end and get the [i]real[/i] Spore we all want someday.[/quote]<br /> <br /> I personally fear what'll happen when they shut down the DRM licensing key server.<br /> <br /> That means we'll all be left with bricked versions of the game. We won't be able to play the game thanks to their failed experiment of a DRM.<br /> <br /> Think that won't ever happen? Tell that to Yahoo! Music users what happened to their MP3's when Yahoo! Music shut down it's DRM licensing server.<br /> <br /> <a class="snap_shots" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management#Obsolescence" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management#Obsolescence</a>]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ The parts pack is going to be a very big indication on which camp is correct.  If it sells well then all of us on the boards will never see the game we want because high sales would justify the Cuteness.  So yes if you care about the "game" part of Spore, don't buy the parts pack.<br /> <br /> Anyone else find it interesting that most everyone here on the boards (and I'm assuming) playing the game, is against the parts pack.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=yurusei]Sigh. I still wish SPORE would have it's glory parade. So far it's been a journey downhill.<br /> <br /> This game could have been something, sadly corporate greed got in the way.[/quote]<br /> <br /> <br /> Dang, another life lost to corporations...  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Ickabod]The parts pack is going to be a very big indication on which camp is correct.[/quote]<br /> <br /> That's the main reason I'm hanging around still.<br /> <br /> If the C&CPP tanks, then I can at least feel vindicated.<br /> <br /> I'd eat the $50 price of Spore to feel vindicated at this point.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ And if it tanks, I'd expect big things in the Spring.  I have faith, but then all my creatures end up as Zealots so you might not want to trust my opinion. <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Ickabod]The parts pack is going to be a very big indication on which camp is correct.  If it sells well then all of us on the boards will never see the game we want because high sales would justify the Cuteness.  So yes if you care about the "game" part of Spore, don't buy the parts pack.<br /> <br /> Anyone else find it interesting that most everyone here on the boards (and I'm assuming) playing the game, is against the parts pack.[/quote]<br /> <br /> <br /> There are two scenarios that could happen if nobody buys the part pack: 1) EA could realize that Cute [i]dosen't[/i] sell and listen to the people and let Maxis do what was originally planned. 2) EA after looking at the poor sales and the SPORE-load of negative feedback from the community, could declare Spore an utter failure on their part. Give up on it and move on to the next hit game.<br /> <br /> <br /> So really the only way to know the future of Spore is to wait and see... <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Saturndjinni][quote=rupertlittlebear]<br /> <br /> and check your achievements page sometime<br /> You may be the only one on that page actually playing<br /> Seems like all my buddies vanished last month<br /> and they were avid supporters.[/quote]<br /> <br /> I can't speak for everyone, but, uh, I've only gotten one achievement in the last month and I still play every day.  Since I've already gotten most of the "easy" achievements, and haven't really been putting much effort into getting the harder ones, since I prefer just playing the game my *own* way.[/quote]double check your buddies some time<br /> <br /> most of mine haven't created any new creatures either<br /> <br /> now they could be putting all their time into space but then again<br /> you'd see a hero achievement every now and again if they did.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Joecoolyoyo]<br /> There are two scenarios that could happen if nobody buys the part pack: 1) EA could realize that Cute [i]dosen't[/i] sell and listen to the people and let Maxis do what was originally planned. 2) EA after looking at the poor sales and the SPORE-load of negative feedback from the community, could declare Spore an utter failure on their part. Give up on it and move on to the next hit game.<br /> <br /> <br /> So really the only way to know the future of Spore is to wait and see... <br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> ...or to try to establish it ourselves. That's a major portion of my continued presence on the forums, personally: campaigning and lobbying for scenario A over scenario B. <br /> <br /> I want to raise consciousness and support for Science Spore to prevail in the end; "wait-and-see" is a recipe for failure and disappointment in my book. We'll [i]NEVER[/i] get what we want by being passive and never sending a message.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote]2) EA after looking at the poor sales and the SPORE-load of negative feedback from the community, could declare Spore an utter failure [b]due to pirates and basically anyone/thing other than themselves[/b]. Give up on it and move on to the next [b]big-money scheme[/b]. [/quote]<br /> <br /> Fixed that up for ya  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" />  I somehow doubt EA will ever admit that any of this is their fault.<br /> <br /> You were saying that EA was going to move on, right?  Not that we should?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=RocketGirl][quote=Joecoolyoyo]<br /> There are two scenarios that could happen if nobody buys the part pack: 1) EA could realize that Cute [i]dosen't[/i] sell and listen to the people and let Maxis do what was originally planned. 2) EA after looking at the poor sales and the SPORE-load of negative feedback from the community, could declare Spore an utter failure on their part. Give up on it and move on to the next hit game.<br /> <br /> <br /> So really the only way to know the future of Spore is to wait and see... <br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> ...or to try to establish it ourselves. That's a major portion of my continued presence on the forums, personally: campaigning and lobbying for scenario A over scenario B. <br /> <br /> I want to raise consciousness and support for Science Spore to prevail in the end; "wait-and-see" is a recipe for failure and disappointment in my book. We'll [i]NEVER[/i] get what we want by being passive and never sending a message.[/quote]<br /> <br /> <br /> What I meant was to be patient, we might be stuck with the Cute Spore for now but with this great of a fan base for Spore sooner or later Science Spore will be made. Your right that being passive won't work, but pushing too hard won't work either. Being all negative might give the wrong message to EA. So the answer to be negative, but in a clear, nice way that even EA will understand.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Ccurving][quote]2) EA after looking at the poor sales and the SPORE-load of negative feedback from the community, could declare Spore an utter failure [b]due to pirates and basically anyone/thing other than themselves[/b]. Give up on it and move on to the next [b]big-money scheme[/b]. [/quote]<br /> <br /> Fixed that up for ya  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" />  I somehow doubt EA will ever admit that any of this is their fault.<br /> <br /> You were saying that EA was going to move on, right?  Not that we should?[/quote]<br /> <br /> Yah I was saying EA was going to move on( of course they are, their only goal is to make money, and if they don't see n=any in Spore their not going to invest their time into making expansions and such). I don't see Spore fans leaving anytime soon though.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Parvati]It may also cause EA to pull the plug and drop the game after the expansion.<br /> <br /> Bye bye support.<br /> Welcome pirates.<br /> <br /> The DRM isn't the main cause.<br /> Its because the game we have is not Spore.<br /> Naturally the DRM only added fuel to the anger.[/quote]<br /> <br /> You mean "added fuel to the fire" OR "added to fuel the anger." Lol I understand what your saying, and you're right. Just buggin ya Parv.<br /> <br /> I wouldn't doubt they'd try to keep this running with even more false promises. Milking any loyal customers that they can. But wouldn't be suprised if they laid off half the Maxis team while doing so.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Joecoolyoyo]<br /> What I meant was to be patient[/quote]<br /> <br /> Patience, [i]noun[/i]: a minor for of despair, disguised as a virtue<br /> <br /> [quote]<br /> ...we might be stuck with the Cute Spore for now but with this great of a fan base for Spore sooner or later Science Spore will be made. <br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> I dispute the "will" part.<br /> <br /> Oh, it might, eventually; some company might find a way to make what is essentially Science Spore while being different enough to avoid being sued...but I see that as being more likely than having Maxis/EA do it. For now, at least, and [i]certainly[/i] if we're too SPORE passive.<br /> <br /> [quote]<br /> Your right that being passive won't work, but pushing too hard won't work either.<br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> Why not?<br /> <br /> [quote]<br />  Being all negative might give the wrong message to EA. So the answer to be negative, but in a clear, nice way that even EA will understand.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Well, I understand [i]THAT,[/i] already; as critical as I've been of what was done to Spore by the so-called Cute Team, I've made more than a few impassioned pleas to Will Wright specifically and Maxis/EA in general, explaining that we still want Science Spore, that we still are inspired and enthralled by the idea, that we still want to play it and even pay for it, that there's a significant audience for it.<br /> Hopefully that will balance out any negativity in the long run.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote]Your right that being passive won't work, but pushing too hard won't work either. [/quote]<br /> <br /> I look at this problem as a big REALLY BIG fat kid. Push hard enough and you might roll em over. Just that this kid is REALLY fat, so I'm not sure if we can get enough support to do that.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Visko][quote]Your right that being passive won't work, but pushing too hard won't work either. [/quote]<br /> <br /> I look at this problem as a big REALLY BIG fat kid. Push hard enough and you might roll em over. Just that this kid is REALLY fat, so I'm not sure if we can get enough support to do that.[/quote]Humpty Dumpty fell<br /> <br /> its all about a strategic push.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Visko]<br /> I look at this problem as a big REALLY BIG fat kid. Push hard enough and you might roll em over. Just that this kid is REALLY fat, so I'm not sure if we can get enough support to do that.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Point that fat kid in the direction of the Twinkie of Really Big Sales™ and he might just do it himself!<br /> <br /> There's a market for Science Spore that's going completely untapped; think about it, Maxis/EA!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=rupertlittlebear][quote=Visko][quote]Your right that being passive won't work, but pushing too hard won't work either. [/quote]<br /> <br /> I look at this problem as a big REALLY BIG fat kid. Push hard enough and you might roll em over. Just that this kid is REALLY fat, so I'm not sure if we can get enough support to do that.[/quote]Humpty Dumpty fell<br /> <br /> its all about a strategic push.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Ahh indeed. We can all learn a lot from nursery rhymes. <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /><br /> <br /> Back to the oirginal point - I wouldn't doubt that a large portion of "New Users" is actually free accounts being created with the trial. Probably even a lot by the same people for whatever reason they want to? Comment on their own creations to gain popularity? Does that work? Haha... theory anyways.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Humpty Dumpty fell of the wall to fetch himself a pail of water<br /> When he arrived he found to his surprise he had an illegitimate daughter<br /> When all the kings horses and all the kinds men <br /> Happened upon him and learned of the kin<br /> The threw him in the water for his immoral sin<br /> Lit it up, boiled an egg as easy as a lamb up for the slaughter.<br /> <br /> <br /> I have no idea either. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ If we push too hard and are too negative EA will sooner or later just start to tune us out. Its basically like your cooking a cake and you are serving a customer. Every time you finish the cake he yells at you for not being like the one he wanted. After so many times you will just end getting frustrated with that customer, ignore his complaints, leave him with an unfinished cake and move on to the next customer. Pushing hard is the key but don't push [i]too[/i] hard, do just the right amount and I see Science Spore coming in the distant future.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ This limerick might just get me banned, but...<br /> <br /> There was this computer game: Spore<br /> Which nobody plays anymore<br /> It was reamed by a pecker<br /> Who goes by "Chris Hecker"<br /> Whose Cute Team made Spore a big bore<br /> <br />  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" />  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=RocketGirl]This limerick might just get me banned, but...<br /> <br /> There was this computer game: Spore<br /> Which nobody plays anymore<br /> It was reamed by a pecker<br /> Who goes by "Chris Hecker"<br /> Whose Cute Team made Spore a big bore<br /> <br />  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" />  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> <br /> agreed!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ New sig! Thanks rg]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I wonder if there was a reaction when the final version was made similar to [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWphqA1Slrw&feature=related]this[/url] by anyone on the design team...]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=RocketGirl]This limerick might just get me banned, but...<br /> <br /> There was this computer game: Spore<br /> Which nobody plays anymore<br /> It was reamed by a pecker<br /> Who goes by "Chris Hecker"<br /> Whose Cute Team made Spore a big bore<br /> <br />  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" />  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" /> [/quote]bet you could put this to music and make it a most popular Youtube item.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=rupertlittlebear] bet you could put this to music and make it a most popular Youtube item.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Sorta like that review by whatshisface that went, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...!", huh? <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=RocketGirl][quote=rupertlittlebear] bet you could put this to music and make it a most popular Youtube item.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Sorta like that review by whatshisface that went, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...!", huh? <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" />[/quote]bet you could do a much better job]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=rupertlittlebear][quote=RocketGirl][quote=rupertlittlebear] bet you could put this to music and make it a most popular Youtube item.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Sorta like that review by whatshisface that went, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...!", huh? <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" />[/quote]bet you could do a much better job[/quote]<br /> <br /> Well, [i]maybe.[/i] <br /> <br /> But I've got a fairly big project on the spike, so...I give anybody else permission to do this poem as an animation or video if they like. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ eh this is good a thing. Wright will wake up one mornin, look at the income with Spore and say "SPORE" fly through his window get in his private jet do a few barrel rolls. get to Maxis HQ. and tell EVERYONE "fun times over, GET TO WORK"]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Worldbreaker276]The only hope for spore is for EA to have just one spark of intelligence and have Maxis make science Spore...Otherwise spore is going to stay shelfed.[/quote]<br /> <br /> There's only so much Maxis can do to make Spore more realistic without making it to complex & advanced for younger users to play, people.  Take the ecosystem for example.  They try to implement realistic ecosystems, the only people who would be able to play spore would be people taking college level biology courses.  ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=RocketGirl]This limerick might just get me banned, but...<br /> <br /> There was this computer game: Spore<br /> Which nobody plays anymore<br /> It was reamed by a pecker<br /> Who goes by "Chris Hecker"<br /> Whose Cute Team made Spore a big bore<br /> <br />  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" />  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> You need to stop assuming that every one has the same opinion as you do just because there are more people on this thread that are complaining about Spore than there are defending it.  It could just be that most of the people that [i]like[/i] Spore just avoid this thread because they've already seen a dozen like it.<br /> <br /> Person makes fun of Spore--&gt; people whine about Spore in response.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I'm scared. Spore is awesome.<br /> I cannot believe it's doing so... <br /> I'm just so sad.<br /> Is this possible?<br /> The greatest game ever just...<br /> It's just too much for me.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ this thread should be locked or deleted in my opinion its just annoying..  people can shut up about complaining that spore wasn't like the trailers.. Its been enough already.. the General Discussion is turning into Troll Discussion part of forums.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Neruu]this thread should be locked or deleted in my opinion its just annoying..  people can shut up about complaining that spore wasn't like the trailers.. Its been enough already.. the General Discussion is turning into Troll Discussion part of forums.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Whining about the whiners. How original.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Dairuka][quote=Neruu]this thread should be locked or deleted in my opinion its just annoying..  people can shut up about complaining that spore wasn't like the trailers.. Its been enough already.. the General Discussion is turning into Troll Discussion part of forums.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Whining about the whiners. How original.[/quote]<br /> <br /> well you must speak the language of the whiner in order for them to comprehend things that make them curl into balls and cry.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Neruu][quote=Dairuka][quote=Neruu]this thread should be locked or deleted in my opinion its just annoying..  people can shut up about complaining that spore wasn't like the trailers.. Its been enough already.. the General Discussion is turning into Troll Discussion part of forums.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Whining about the whiners. How original.[/quote]<br /> <br /> well you must speak the language of the whiner in order for them to comprehend things that make them curl into balls and cry.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Counter-intuitiveness is counter-intuitive.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ *finally snaps*<br /> <br /> For the Octillionth time D:&lt;<br /> <br /> [i][b][size=50] [/size]APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE INSTEAD OF WANTING WHAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN AND WHINE AND COMPLAIN EVERY POSSIBLE MOMENT.[/b][/i]<br /> <br /> Spore was brilliant, and still is brilliant. YOU GUYS, THE WHINERS just need to SHUT YOUR MOUTHS. It could have been roughly ten times as worse as it is now. We're actually lucky that it even got released AT ALL.<br /> <br /> So quit complaining and get along with your lives. Like some random person said:<br /> <br /> "Arguing on the internet is like the special Olympics- even if you win, your still retarded"<br /> <br /> (Sorry if the quote offends anyone, it seemed applicable for the situation)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Joecoolyoyo][quote=RocketGirl]This limerick might just get me banned, but...<br /> <br /> There was this computer game: Spore<br /> Which nobody plays anymore<br /> It was reamed by a pecker<br /> Who goes by "Chris Hecker"<br /> Whose Cute Team made Spore a big bore<br /> <br />  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" />  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> <br /> agreed![/quote]<br /> <br /> epic poem!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ You know, RocketGirl, maybe someday a company like Stardock, a serious company that respect its customers, will make a game like the one we all want.<br /> <br /> For now I'll be happy never wasting my money again in any EA made game.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Falras]*finally snaps*<br /> <br /> For the Octillionth time D:&lt;<br /> <br /> [i][b][size=50] [/size]APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE INSTEAD OF WANTING WHAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN AND WHINE AND COMPLAIN EVERY POSSIBLE MOMENT.[/b][/i]<br /> <br /> Spore was brilliant, and still is brilliant. YOU GUYS, THE WHINERS just need to SHUT YOUR MOUTHS. It could have been roughly ten times as worse as it is now. We're actually lucky that it even got released AT ALL.<br /> <br /> So quit complaining and get along with your lives. Like some random person said:<br /> <br /> "Arguing on the internet is like the special Olympics- even if you win, your still retarded"<br /> <br /> (Sorry if the quote offends anyone, it seemed applicable for the situation)[/quote]<br /> <br /> Cranky whining about whiners is still whining.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:10:24]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Falras]*finally snaps*<br /> <br /> For the Octillionth time D:&lt;<br /> <br /> [i][b][size=50] [/size]APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE INSTEAD OF WANTING WHAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN AND WHINE AND COMPLAIN EVERY POSSIBLE MOMENT.[/b][/i]<br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> Yeah...I'm awfully glad the Founding Fathers, Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King, and Ellen DeGeneres never thought this way... <br /> <br /> "Appreciate what you have instead of wanting what it could have been..." sh-yeah, [i]right![/i] <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" /><br /> <br /> [quote]<br /> Spore was brilliant, and still is brilliant. YOU GUYS, THE WHINERS just need to SHUT YOUR MOUTHS. <br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> Ohh, you really just convinced me; I'll shut up now. UH-huh.<br /> <br /> [quote]<br /> It could have been roughly ten times as worse as it is now.<br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> [i]THAT'S[/i] the best you can come up with? Seriously?<br /> It could have been roughly a [i]bajillion[/i] times better; why should we [i]settle[/i] for craptacular, whether it could have been worse or not?<br /> <br /> [quote]<br />  We're actually lucky that it even got released AT ALL.<br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> Yeah...but that luck was the [i]bad[/i] kind. <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" /><br /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ ok Rocketgirl, no offense, seriously, don't take this the wrong way. but every post i see you make, is something bad about Spore, just chill out and make a post or two that isn't a complaint, and stop annoying the people who like it. but yea, "don't take this the wrong way"<br /> <br /> and yea, they do need to REALLY fix it]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:18:30]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=8Pack]ok Rocketgirl, no offense, seriously, don't take this the wrong way. but every post i see you make, is something bad about Spore, just chill out and make a post or two that isn't a complaint, and stop annoying the people who like it. <br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> I've made multiple posts that aren't complaints, even just today; clearly, you're not reading the threads that they're in.<br /> <br /> And the people who are annoyed by what I have to say have the option of ignoring my posts when they see my name; I'm not forcing them to read me.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:26:11]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=RocketGirl][quote=8Pack]ok Rocketgirl, no offense, seriously, don't take this the wrong way. but every post i see you make, is something bad about Spore, just chill out and make a post or two that isn't a complaint, and stop annoying the people who like it. <br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> I've made multiple posts that aren't complaints, even just today; clearly, you're not reading the threads that they're in.<br /> <br /> And the people who are annoyed by what I have to say have the option of ignoring my posts when they see my name; I'm not forcing them to read me.[/quote]<br /> <br /> No your not. But you are adding to the static.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ they defiantly need to make a more science orientated spore.  one not so dumbed down. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote]No your not. But you are adding to the static. [/quote]<br /> <br /> Ed, what you don't understand is that the sound we're making is not in fact static but signal.]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:50:26]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=EdCase512][quote=RocketGirl][quote=8Pack]ok Rocketgirl, no offense, seriously, don't take this the wrong way. but every post i see you make, is something bad about Spore, just chill out and make a post or two that isn't a complaint, and stop annoying the people who like it. <br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> I've made multiple posts that aren't complaints, even just today; clearly, you're not reading the threads that they're in.<br /> <br /> And the people who are annoyed by what I have to say have the option of ignoring my posts when they see my name; I'm not forcing them to read me.[/quote]<br /> <br /> No your not. But you are adding to the static.[/quote]<br /> <br /> That seems, to me, to be the opinion solely of those who have issues with my message.<br /> <br /> Just sayin'...]]></description>
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				<pubDate><![CDATA[Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:55:02]]> GMT</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=RocketGirl][quote=EdCase512][quote=RocketGirl][quote=8Pack]ok Rocketgirl, no offense, seriously, don't take this the wrong way. but every post i see you make, is something bad about Spore, just chill out and make a post or two that isn't a complaint, and stop annoying the people who like it. <br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> I've made multiple posts that aren't complaints, even just today; clearly, you're not reading the threads that they're in.<br /> <br /> And the people who are annoyed by what I have to say have the option of ignoring my posts when they see my name; I'm not forcing them to read me.[/quote]<br /> <br /> No your not. But you are adding to the static.[/quote]<br /> <br /> That seems, to me, to be the opinion solely of those who have issues with my message.<br /> <br /> Just sayin'...[/quote]<br /> <br /> The message is not the problem. The delivery is the problem. As stated before the tactic doesn't work on parents. It won't work on EA.<br />    You become your own worst enemy, people start to ignore first you, then the issue. That is best case. Worst case they begin to actively loathe you, some of which is evidenced in this thread.<br />   ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=RocketGirl]I dispute the "will" part. [/quote]<br /> <br /> Good one to dispute. Like you, I doubt it will see air.  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" />  Riccitiello has made the whole Spore and DRM thing a personal vehicle for flexing power.  He did the same at Sara Lee. In fact Washington Post and Barron's cited that as one of his largest flaws.  Moving into an industry he knows nothing about, then flexing pet projects.  Claiming that his way is high profits, often at the expense of the consumer base (and later the company) whom are there to make the company more profits. Profits that can be reaped in 3 years what would normally take 10.  <br /> <br /> For example his public statement [i]"We're still working out the kinks. We implemented a form of DRM and it's something that 99.8 percent of users wouldn't notice. But for the other .2 percent, it became an issue and a number of them launched a cabal online to protest against it. I personally don't like DRM. It interrupts the user experience. We would like to get around that. But there is this problem called piracy out there."  [/i]<br /> <br /> He then goes on to how EA will have no more non-internet products and that all future developments will require EADM to function (as of 2009).<br /> <br /> In case you are curious, two tenths of a percent... from the number of people on the ign discussion boards alone. Means 2.2 million copies were sold to those folks. Exaggeration in public statements is a common faux pas of his.  If I was someone looking to decide if I was going to peruse a class action against a company... I'd know it was cake once I saw this guy's history I had it made.  A person whom makes a public misstatement like the above, would make any law suit cake.<br /> <br /> [quote]<br /> Your right that being passive won't work, but pushing too hard won't work either.<br /> Why not?<br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> Same reason. This guy had shut down whole perspective lines and existing divisions at Wilson Sporting Goods when folks tried to tell him what to do.  He's the kind of person who works with those who dole out respect. Old world, old school.  If even one of the pushy posts was read, you can count it dead. <br /> <br /> This is the CEO who wanted wiki sanitized regarding EA's past financial and court dealings. <br /> <br /> Not saying it is right, but it is the reality of the situation.  Forbes has called him an aggressive, intelligent businessman.  When you swim with the corporate sharks, occasionally you run into great whites like Mr. Riccitiello.<br /> <br /> <br /> As a heads up he also outlined how his staff are aggressively adding more in-game advertising to all future EA products.  Earlier this week he was asked what sort of advertisers EA likes to work with for its in-game ads, Riccitiello said,[i] "We would partner with anyone who writes a check." <br /> [/i]<br /> The idea is that there would be huge profits from a product if it sold or not.  Personally after a lot of digging when I was laid up, this is the kind of person who changes an industry.  Making a lot of profits until something breaks or federal regulations stop the muggings.  Timing is just bad. The FTC is looking to hang new regulations on this kind of speculation and invasions of private property.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=EdCase512]<br /> The message is not the problem. The delivery is the problem. As stated before the tactic doesn't work on parents. It won't work on EA.<br />    You become your own worst enemy, people start to ignore first you, then the issue. That is best case. Worst case they begin to actively loathe you, some of which is evidenced in this thread.<br />   [/quote]<br /> <br /> And, once again, it's all coming from the people [i]who disagree.[/i] Obviously, they don't like having their worldviews challenged.<br /> <br /> Look, I frankly don't trust your motives. And even if I did, your entire case is starting to smack seriously of character assassination based on personal opinion. Either way, [i]YOUR[/i] message isn't getting through, and [i]WON'T[/i] if you continue. You aren't being persuasive, you're simply being abrasive; if you really believe in it, take your own advice, because I'm quite done with you.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Parvati]Well as a coincedence I visted a couple of my game stores today.<br /> <br /> The shelves were filled with copies of Spore.<br /> They can't get them sold.<br /> <br /> Normal version and Galactic versions.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Game stores in general are having tough times. Combine a crappy economy with a well-deserved reputation for crappy customer service, and you have many more people either just pirating games or buying them online.<br /> <br /> If a game doesn't come out on Steam or Impulse, then I preorder it from Amazon.com. That's just the way it works. In all cases, I don't have to pay sales tax or shipping and the customer service is far better than going to the local Gamestop and being prodded to buy a magazine subscription.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Amazon is selling SPORE new for $35 already.<br /> <br /> <a class="snap_shots" href="http://www.amazon.com/Spore-Mac/dp/B000FKBCX4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Spore-Mac/dp/B000FKBCX4</a><br /> <br /> My thread about it:<br /> <a class="snap_shots" href="http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/7540.page" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/7540.page</a><br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Falras]*finally snaps*<br /> <br /> For the Octillionth time D:&lt;<br /> <br /> [i][b][size=50] [/size]APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE INSTEAD OF WANTING WHAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN AND WHINE AND COMPLAIN EVERY POSSIBLE MOMENT.[/b][/i]<br /> <br /> Spore was brilliant, and still is brilliant. YOU GUYS, THE WHINERS just need to SHUT YOUR MOUTHS. It could have been roughly ten times as worse as it is now. We're actually lucky that it even got released AT ALL.<br /> <br /> So quit complaining and get along with your lives. Like some random person said:<br /> <br /> "Arguing on the internet is like the special Olympics- even if you win, your still retarded"<br /> <br /> (Sorry if the quote offends anyone, it seemed applicable for the situation)[/quote]<br /> <br /> Actually, it offends me and my son, who's got a learning disability, as well as my nephew who has a similar disability.  <br /> <br /> It could not have been worse. <br /> <br /> The gameplay is stripped to nothing. <br /> <br /> There is nothing to "play" with.  You make an ability a number directly.  You might as well play an RPG.  From twenty years ago.  I'd recommend "Pool of Radiance" but it has more levels and abilities (up to 25 levels in [i]six [/i]abilities). <br /> <br /> All of the other Sims game forced you to consider balancing what you wanted to do: you couldn't "max" without cheating or horrible side-effects, which made playing successfully a challenge and reward all in one. <br /> <br /> <br /> I'd recommend [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bL6pOr_UpY][b]this game[/b][/url] for people that don't get why or how "sciency" can be fun. <br /> <br /> It's literally called "[url=http://www.phunland.com/wiki/Home][b]Phun[/b][/url]." It has no goals, just a gameplay engine that is based on real world physics. <br /> <br /> And it's free. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=AnotherPoster]Amazon is selling SPORE new for $35 already.<br /> <br /> <a class="snap_shots" href="http://www.amazon.com/Spore-Mac/dp/B000FKBCX4" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Spore-Mac/dp/B000FKBCX4</a><br /> <br /> My thread about it:<br /> <a class="snap_shots" href="http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/7540.page" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/7540.page</a><br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> LOL, classic.........  i feel bad for all those people who spent 60$<br /> <br /> If you did, message Amazon, and they'll credit you back the difference if u purchased w/in the last 30 days.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Parvati]It may also cause EA to pull the plug and drop the game after the expansion.<br /> <br /> Bye bye support.<br /> Welcome pirates.<br /> <br /> The DRM isn't the main cause.<br /> Its because the game we have is not Spore.<br /> Naturally the DRM only added fuel to the anger.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Yeah, 90% of consumers or maybe more do not even know what DRM is, the whole thing is that people read reviews on the game and see so many people complaining about it.  EA forgot the main rule of economics<br /> <br /> If you want to make money, do not try to make money.  Make something the consumer wants, and the money will follow.  Prime examples, the movie Titanic (yeah, not everybody's cup of tea) and The Dark Night.  Their sucess was not so much in the name, but the quality that got people to see it again, and again.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ EA CEO LIED ABOUT SPORE SALES <br /> <br /> Per NPD Group (sales tracking group, highly reputable) npd.com <br /> <br /> Spore realised sales of 406K <br /> <br /> Thats a far outcry from the 500k-1M sales that EA CEO John Riccitiello claimed. If I were a member of the board of directors, I'd be wondering why I was lied to.... <br /> <br /> That would mean Spore was pirated more than it sold (i wonder why that is)]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Falras]*finally snaps*<br /> <br /> For the Octillionth time D:&lt;<br /> <br /> [i][b][size=50] [/size]APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE INSTEAD OF WANTING WHAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN AND WHINE AND COMPLAIN EVERY POSSIBLE MOMENT.[/b][/i]<br /> <br /> Spore was brilliant, and still is brilliant. YOU GUYS, THE WHINERS just need to SHUT YOUR MOUTHS. It could have been roughly ten times as worse as it is now. We're actually lucky that it even got released AT ALL.<br /> <br /> So quit complaining and get along with your lives. Like some random person said:<br /> <br /> "Arguing on the internet is like the special Olympics- even if you win, your still retarded"<br /> <br /> (Sorry if the quote offends anyone, it seemed applicable for the situation)[/quote]<br /> <br /> I have a VR6 volkswagen that cost me 30K that is in my garage with a rod bearing that got a contaminant in it and as result is nothing more than one massive paperweight till I finish the rebuild.<br /> <br /> Hey, but it was a briliant and awesome car.  I should go sit in the garage and apreciate I have it.<br /> <br /> Not to sound facetious, but it is an excellent analogy.  We got a game that was brilliant, but it is busted, plain and simple.  Amazing engines and creationism in the game, but we have no way to enjoy it other than to make something in creator and blab about it on forums.  Now the reason people sit here on the forum and complain is the fact that they do like it, they were really looking forward to it and were let down.  Game or whatever, the human psyche takes all disappointment the same way and for some people need to vent.  Not everybody is apathetic.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=RocketGirl]And the people who are annoyed by what I have to say have the option of ignoring my posts when they see my name; I'm not forcing them to read me.[/quote]<br /> I rarely post, but felt I had to type this. Also, I consider myself to currently be on either side of the fence. I like the game in some ways, but I feel it lacks serious depth to keep me occupied for much longer. That said, it's a shame the Sporum doesn't have an ignore function, and it's also a shame the negativity on the Sporum is so out of hand. <br /> <br /> I wouldn't dare try and speak for anyone other than myself, but if they're anything like me, they probably open the page, see that there's nothing new besides more vendettas, stop reading and posting, close the page and turn on "a" game, or browse some other internet page.<br /> <br /> I just wish the mods would create a "complaints" or "spiel and rant" forum and move all of those discussions over there, though I highly doubt it would bring back those that have already been chased away by all the doom and gloom.<br /> <br /> And there are many posts where I feel the moderators should step in and do something. I realize they probably aren't because those vocal few would cause another uproar about "omg intarrwebz censor!!11oneeleventy!1", but still, why they keep being so lenient, it boggles my mind.<br /> <br /> Peace.<br /> <br /> *retreats back into lurking mode*<br /> [i]<br /> Edit: Spelling[/i]]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ this game is not good.<br /> <br /> its got fun parts to it but as a whole the game sucks pretty bad. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Lebaiton: We want to make sure that other people aren't taken in by this ripoff.  If ten people see my posts and pass up this POS as a result, my efforts to notify the public will not have been wasted.<br /> <br /> If you're annoyed by the negativity here, consider where the responsibility for the negativity really lies.  When you've got an official forum for a game and maybe 80% of the posts are negative, that should tell you there's a severe problem somewhere.  <br /> <br /> People don't like getting ripped off by false advertising.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=LeBaiton]I just wish the mods would create a "complaints" or "spiel and rant" forum and move all of those discussions over there[/quote]1 ) on most forums the mods don't have power to create (sub) forums<br /> Only Admin can do that<br /> <br /> 2 ) but conceding your point, that would make a "ghostforum" out of the remainder of the Sporum<br /> and for good reason.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=rupertlittlebear][quote=LeBaiton]I just wish the mods would create a "complaints" or "spiel and rant" forum and move all of those discussions over there[/quote]1 ) on most forums the mods don't have power to create (sub) forums<br /> Only Admin can do that<br /> <br /> 2 ) [b]but conceding your point, that would make a "ghostforum" out of the remainder of the Sporum<br /> and for good reason[/b].[/quote]<br /> <br /> Cannot disagree with you there, that is, in fact, what would happen. <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" />  Nice post.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I love Phun.  I have been using it since last year, and I still have... well... fun with it. ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Jackuul]I love Phun.  I have been using it since last year, and I still have... well... fun with it. [/quote]<br /> <br />   I just downloaded it today..   ITS REALLY FUN!  you are right.   Your lucky you knew about it for a year. <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /> <br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=ghadis]<br /> If you're annoyed by the negativity here, consider where the responsibility for the negativity really lies.  When you've got an official forum for a game and maybe 80% of the posts are negative, that should tell you there's a severe problem somewhere.  <br /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> SPORE right. <br /> <br /> I'm not being negative for its own sake; I don't really think I'm being negative [i]at all.[/i] I'm [i]trying[/i] to be constructive, to tell Maxis where they went wrong and how to correct it. And, perhaps, [i]why they should[/i] correct it.<br /> I don't see how anybody can disagree with my stance unless they're either dogmatically pro-EA/Maxis, or unless even the [i]barest hint[/i] of hyperbolic vitriol makes them scream and hide under the covers like a little girl. <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=deity][quote=Joecoolyoyo][quote=RocketGirl]This limerick might just get me banned, but...<br /> <br /> There was this computer game: Spore<br /> Which nobody plays anymore<br /> It was reamed by a pecker<br /> Who goes by "Chris Hecker"<br /> Whose Cute Team made Spore a big bore<br /> <br />  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" />  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> <br /> agreed![/quote]<br /> <br /> epic poem![/quote]<br /> <br />  I second that !!! I had to read this one to my wife, I laughed SO HARD!!!<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=ghadis]If you're annoyed by the negativity here, consider where the responsibility for the negativity really lies.  When you've got an official forum for a game and maybe 80% of the posts are negative, that should tell you there's a severe problem somewhere.  <br /> <br /> People don't like getting ripped off by false advertising.[/quote]<br /> Ghadis, I agree with your point that customers should be aware of the fact that there are several problems with Spore. Many of which have been pointed out to the developers over the last month and a half, but the last two weeks the comments have gone from being negative and constructive to personal and spiteful.<br /> <br /> In that light, I'd wish everyone would keep in mind mflux's forum post with [url=http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/internet_argument.png]that cartoon[/url] he posted a few days ago: At the end of the day, you're still talking to people on the other side of a monitor. I just wish people would consider that more often than not.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Pyrion]<br /> <br /> Game stores in general are having tough times. Combine a crappy economy with a well-deserved reputation for crappy customer service, and you have many more people either just pirating games or buying them online.<br /> <br /> If a game doesn't come out on Steam or Impulse, then I preorder it from Amazon.com. That's just the way it works. In all cases, I don't have to pay sales tax or shipping and the customer service is far better than going to the local Gamestop and being prodded to buy a magazine subscription.[/quote]<br /> <br /> You assume I live in a country that has adopted online transactions.<br /> Oh we have them, but its only the last solution.<br /> Seeing the boxes in the store means a lot where I live.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Look we all know this is the internet.<br /> And everybody can shout and scream all they want.<br /> <br /> Naa, skip being pollite I'll call it.<br /> <br /> Every single one of the postsers here that are pro current Spore and write in caps are fanboyz.<br /> I have read every single post they have made and they are nothing more then fanboyz.<br /> <br /> There is nothing worse for the future of a product then a fanboy.<br /> You all seem to think we are trying to take away Spore from you.<br /> <br /> The situation hasn't changed.<br /> They promised A and delivered D.<br /> <br /> A lot of proof out there by now.<br /> Mac and Pc launches on the same day = O ow....<br /> Features being cut now again implemented in the next expansion = O ow....<br /> The list goes on and on and on.<br /> <br /> I don't care about how you feel that all of us appear like trolls to you.<br /> I want what was promised to me.<br /> I want the game that was advertised that simple. EA/Maxis has pulled one of the biggest con's of late and are getting away with it. All this, give it a rest it is what is , is only giving them more power.<br /> Sure, I love Spore. But trust me, my love has nothing to do with this game.<br /> <br /> [i][b]Stop being an enabler.[/b][/i]]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Parvati][quote=Pyrion]<br /> <br /> Game stores in general are having tough times. Combine a crappy economy with a well-deserved reputation for crappy customer service, and you have many more people either just pirating games or buying them online.<br /> <br /> If a game doesn't come out on Steam or Impulse, then I preorder it from Amazon.com. That's just the way it works. In all cases, I don't have to pay sales tax or shipping and the customer service is far better than going to the local Gamestop and being prodded to buy a magazine subscription.[/quote]<br /> <br /> You assume I live in a country that has adopted online transactions.<br /> Oh we have them, but its only the last solution.<br /> Seeing the boxes in the store means a lot where I live.[/quote]<br /> <br /> I assume nothing. I'm saying that's the way it is, in my own experience.<br /> <br /> I've only purchased one game from D2D, and found that approach to be clunkier than Steam and Impulse. Spore I ordered from Amazon.com, despite the negative reviews, cuz the vast majority of them were written by people that had never played the game. I disregard reviews written by people that don't actually own the product just out of principle. "They don't have it, what do they know?" I used to have the local Gamestop and EB on my cellphone's speed dial, so that I could call for availability and/or to reserve a game. Not anymore. Local purchases from game stores are my "last resort" cuz those places are literally a self-fulfilling prophecy of destruction. They treat their customers like garbage such that nobody wants to shop there, making them all the more desperate to make a sale.<br /> <br /> Stores like Wal-Mart and Target don't even get consideration cuz years after the game's been out and bargain-binned at the local game shops, they still charge full MSRP.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Pyrion]*snip*[/quote]<br /> <br /> Sorry, may seem hard to believe for you but it just doesn't work like that over here <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /><br /> I am geussing you live in America? or the UK? Seeing you online, has me confused about the timezone.<br /> <br /> Different worlds mate <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /> <br /> But wasn't my intention to argue about it.<br /> Just wanted to tell you guys that the shelves were full of Spore copies and that it means something where I live.<br /> We are seeing a similar situation as with Tabula Rasa.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Parvati][quote=Pyrion]*snip*[/quote]<br /> <br /> Sorry, may seem hard to believe for you but it just doesn't work like that over here <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /><br /> I am geussing you live in America? or the UK? Seeing you online, has me confused about the timezone.<br /> <br /> Different worlds mate <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /> <br /> But wasn't my intention to argue about it.<br /> Just wanted to tell you guys that the shelves were full of Spore copies and that it means something where I live.<br /> We are seeing a similar situation as with Tabula Rasa.[/quote]<br /> <br /> No intention to argue here either. Just my own observations.<br /> <br /> Pacific timezone here, but I'm on a multiphasic sleep schedule (IOW, "no schedule at all").<br /> <br /> I understand what you're getting at, and I figure if Amazon's already dropping Spore's price that it can't be selling that well here either.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Take a look at my EA contact information thread!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Parvati]Look we all know this is the internet.<br /> And everybody can shout and scream all they want.<br /> <br /> Naa, skip being pollite I'll call it.<br /> <br /> Every single one of the postsers here that are pro current Spore and write in caps are fanboyz.<br /> I have read every single post they have made and they are nothing more then fanboyz.<br /> <br /> There is nothing worse for the future of a product then a fanboy.<br /> You all seem to think we are trying to take away Spore from you.<br /> <br /> The situation hasn't changed.<br /> They promised A and delivered D.<br /> <br /> A lot of proof out there by now.<br /> Mac and Pc launches on the same day = O ow....<br /> Features being cut now again implemented in the next expansion = O ow....<br /> The list goes on and on and on.<br /> <br /> I don't care about how you feel that all of us appear like trolls to you.<br /> I want what was promised to me.<br /> I want the game that was advertised that simple. EA/Maxis has pulled one of the biggest con's of late and are getting away with it. All this, give it a rest it is what is , is only giving them more power.<br /> Sure, I love Spore. But trust me, my love has nothing to do with this game.<br /> <br /> [i][b]Stop being an enabler.[/b][/i][/quote]<br /> <br /> Sorry to say you're wrong about the fan boy thing.  And don't call it a con; stuff was cut [i]after[/i] it was promised, which is supposed to be taken with an apology.  I supported Spore, but it's not my favorite thing in the world.  I think it's cool, but that's about it.  What bothers me is how people are re-stating the same complaints they've made in several other threads.  The repetitiveness is getting to me.  Since everything anyone has said on either side has gotten nowhere, I think everyone should just stop complaining in general.  I come to this forum to talk about Spore, not complain.<br /> <br /> note to others:  thread and forum are different things.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Parvati being called a troll? Wow. Hes always been the centrist on these boards.<br /> <br /> I'm glad to have him on our side though. <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ This thread is pessimistic.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=CopperWolf]This thread is pessimistic.[/quote]<br /> Read my last post CopperWolf.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=LegoLord]I come to this forum to talk about Spore, not complain.[/quote]<br /> <br /> I come to this forum to raise awareness on the evils of SecuROM, boycotts, and general information relating to EA that can be used as further references to encourage people to join our petitions, boycotts and referendum attempts.<br /> <br /> I rarely engage the enablers; and even if I do, they get whimsical single sentence responses merely because they're not the ones I'm calling out.<br /> <br /> I thank them for keeping my threads bumped though. I also appreciate their position. Nobody likes to hear their favorite game being insulted. Of course, I sit and wait patiently for the time when SecuROM's licensing afflicts them... <br /> <br /> It's only a matter of time before they see this error:<br /> <br /> Thumbnail:<br /> [url="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/Dairuka/CactusIsIncorrect.jpg"][img]http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v255/Dairuka/th_CactusIsIncorrect.jpg[/img][/url]<br /> <br /> It's only a matter of time before they go through what I did, chronicled in this thread:<br /> <br /> <a class="snap_shots" href="http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page</a><br /> <br /> And when they're forced to go through the same things I did, just to be able to play Spore. I know they'll join us in our crusade. <br /> <br /> Don't worry though. I'll still be here, raising awareness, starting petitions, reminding people of the evil entity that is Electronic Arts... sitting and waiting to embrace the people who once argued and insulted me as brothers in arms in the fight against SecuROM and EA.<br /> <br /> Thats why I'll never really argue with the enablers. It's only a matter of time before they're on my side.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Dairuka][quote=LegoLord]I come to this forum to talk about Spore, not complain.[/quote]<br /> <br /> I come to this forum to raise awareness on the evils of SecuROM, boycotts, and general information relating to EA that can be used as further references to encourage people to join our petitions, boycotts and referendum attempts.<br /> <br /> I rarely engage the enablers; and even if I do, they get whimsical single sentence responses merely because they're not the ones I'm calling out.<br /> <br /> I thank them for keeping my threads bumped though. I also appreciate their position. Nobody likes to hear their favorite game being insulted. Of course, I sit and wait patiently for the time when SecuROM's licensing afflicts them... <br /> <br /> It's only a matter of time before they see this error:<br /> <br /> Thumbnail:<br /> [url="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v255/Dairuka/CactusIsIncorrect.jpg"][img]http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v255/Dairuka/th_CactusIsIncorrect.jpg[/img][/url]<br /> <br /> It's only a matter of time before they go through what I did, chronicled in this thread:<br /> <br /> <a class="snap_shots" href="http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page</a><br /> <br /> And when they're forced to go through the same things I did, just to be able to play Spore. I know they'll join us in our crusade. <br /> <br /> Don't worry though. I'll still be here, raising awareness, starting petitions, reminding people of the evil entity that is Electronic Arts... sitting and waiting to embrace the people who once argued and insulted me as brothers in arms in the fight against SecuROM and EA.<br /> <br /> Thats why I'll never really argue with the enablers. It's only a matter of time before they're on my side.[/quote]<br /> <br /> This sound strangely like a complaint for some reason.  But I can't quite put my finger on it . . . <br /> Anyway, they can't change SecuROM in a wink.  Just be patient.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=LegoLord]This sound strangely like a complaint for some reason.  But I can't quite put my finger on it . . . <br /> Anyway, they can't change SecuROM in a wink.  Just be patient.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Patience can't be afforded. If you'd kindly read my thread on what I had to go through to get extra licenses to be able to play Spore; you'd understand why this is such a big deal.<br /> <br /> <a class="snap_shots" href="http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page</a><br /> <br /> Apathy makes for [size=9][i]a[/i][/size][b]pathetic[/b] people.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ Why is Dairuka continuing to complain, I wonder?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=LegoLord]Why is Dairuka continuing to complain, I wonder?[/quote]<br /> <br /> Now you're just baiting me. <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=LegoLord] The repetitiveness is getting to me[/quote]<br /> <br /> Yes, and that's not the worst thing.<br /> <br /> The worst thing is how people are forcing you to read it.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=ghadis][quote=LegoLord] The repetitiveness is getting to me[/quote]<br /> <br /> Yes, and that's not the worst thing.<br /> <br /> The worst thing is how people are forcing you to read it.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Wuh?]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ There are 2 ways of criticizing bad art:<br /> 1) constructive criticism, stating what's right and what's wrong, so that the artist can [i]improve[/i]<br /> 2)rip it off the wall/out of the artist's hands, throw it to the ground shouting "FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!" (+ thinking everyone agrees with you); artist gets POd, you may get injured<br /> <br /> unfortunately, most complainers on these forums go for choice 2, it seems  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=ericDartist]There are 2 ways of criticizing bad art:<br /> 1) constructive criticism, stating what's right and what's wrong, so that the artist can [i]improve[/i]<br /> 2)rip it off the wall/out of the artist's hands, throw it to the ground shouting "FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!" (+ thinking everyone agrees with you); artist gets POd, you may get injured<br /> <br /> unfortunately, most complainers on these forums go for choice 2, it seems  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" /> [/quote]<br /> <br /> Good thing you said most complainers, otherwise I'd challenge you to find a single post where I pull the latter. <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" />]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=ericDartist]There are 2 ways of criticizing bad art:<br /> 1) constructive criticism, stating what's right and what's wrong, so that the artist can [i]improve[/i]<br /> 2)rip it off the wall/out of the artist's hands, throw it to the ground shouting "FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!" (+ thinking everyone agrees with you); artist gets POd, you may get injured<br /> <br /> unfortunately, most complainers on these forums go for choice 2, it seems  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" /> [/quote]<br /> <br />    This has got to be the best way to describe the way of criticizing. <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" />   A++ From me on this one.  Couldnt have said it better myself.  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" /> <br /> <br />    A hello to you, by the way  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif"/> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Parvati][quote=Pyrion]<br /> <br /> Game stores in general are having tough times. Combine a crappy economy with a well-deserved reputation for crappy customer service, and you have many more people either just pirating games or buying them online.<br /> <br /> If a game doesn't come out on Steam or Impulse, then I preorder it from Amazon.com. That's just the way it works. In all cases, I don't have to pay sales tax or shipping and the customer service is far better than going to the local Gamestop and being prodded to buy a magazine subscription.[/quote]<br /> <br /> You assume I live in a country that has adopted online transactions.<br /> Oh we have them, but its only the last solution.<br /> Seeing the boxes in the store means a lot where I live.[/quote]<br /> <br />   It should be the last solutions, I LOVE boxes on my desk.  Not burned disks that EA controls (or any company for that matter)  <br /> <br />   The day you cannot hold it in your hands, is the day that THEY [the publishers] do!]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=RocketGirl][quote=EdCase512]<br /> The message is not the problem. The delivery is the problem. As stated before the tactic doesn't work on parents. It won't work on EA.<br />    You become your own worst enemy, people start to ignore first you, then the issue. That is best case. Worst case they begin to actively loathe you, some of which is evidenced in this thread.<br />   [/quote]<br /> <br /> And, once again, it's all coming from the people [i]who disagree.[/i] Obviously, they don't like having their worldviews challenged.<br /> <br /> Look, I frankly don't trust your motives. And even if I did, your entire case is starting to smack seriously of character assassination based on personal opinion. Either way, [i]YOUR[/i] message isn't getting through, and [i]WON'T[/i] if you continue. You aren't being persuasive, you're simply being abrasive; if you really believe in it, take your own advice, because I'm quite done with you.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Sorry about the delay in annoying you, had a large contract to close today.<br /> <br />  My response. Motive, no motive as such.<br />  <br /> Character assassination ?  Look long in the mirror sweetheart. I'm not the one started the use of belittling tactics and name calling.<br /> <br /> Personal opinion ? Why yes my dear it is. Exactly the same as yours is your opinion. Your point ?<br /> Not trying to persuade anyone. merely stating as said before, my ,as against someone elses, viewpoint.<br /> <br /> Your calling ME abrasive ?  That's very nearly laugh out loud funny.<br /> <br /> Calm discussion too much for you ?  Remember, I believe your points have validity. I merely think your tactics are wrong.<br /> <br /> Beyond that ?  Nothing really to add. I'll sit back and let you continue to pop veins out on your neck.<br /> ]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ I just realized i've been suckered!  I just realized that everyone else posting on these forums is a sucker, too!<br /> <br /> Far out.<br /> <br /> Thanks for three weeks of entertainment Spore!  I played about 100 hours of your game before I realized I was bored to freaking tears by the incredibly tedious design.  Your cell stage was fun, but that was the high point of the game. The creative concept for this game could have been the Sistine Chapel, but you painted it on the roof not the ceiling, and now all that time and effort is covered in bird SPORE. <br /> <br /> I now turn Spore over to my six year old son.  I figure he'll enjoy it for another month before coming to the same realization I did:<br /> <br /> "Wow...That's it?"<br /> <br /> <br /> Why anyone would spend more money on expansions for this game is completely beyond me.<br /> <br /> <br /> EDIT:  I can't believe that your replacement word for SPORE is SPORE.  Man, that says it all.]]></description>
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				<description><![CDATA[ [quote=Wullen]I just realized i've been suckered!  I just realized that everyone else posting on these forums is a sucker, too!<br /> <br /> Far out.<br /> <br /> Thanks for three weeks of entertainment Spore!  I played about 100 hours of your game before I realized I was bored to freaking tears by the incredibly tedious design.  Your cell stage was fun, but that was the high point of the game. The creative concept for this game could have been the Sistine Chapel, but you painted it on the roof not the ceiling, and now all that time and effort is covered in bird SPORE. <br /> <br /> I now turn Spore over to my six year old son.  I figure he'll enjoy it for another month before coming to the same realization I did:<br /> <br /> "Wow...That's it?"<br /> <br /> <br /> Why anyone would spend more money on expansions for this game is completely beyond me.<br /> <br /> <br /> EDIT:  I can't believe that your replacement word for SPORE is SPORE.  Man, that says it all.[/quote]<br /> <br /> Welcome to the club poster, this exact thing has been said a hundred times over.  I especially love your EDIT...  <img src="http://forum.spore.com/jforum//images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" />  True, so true...   as it stands, in its current condition , yes "Spore is Spore"  Thank you for voicing your opinion about the game.<br /> <br /> TO EA:<br /> <br /> The following words are In My HUMBLE opinion:<br /> <br /> This can hopefully change soon, I have high expectations that EA will do the right thing here, and just let Maxis do what Maxis has done QUITE well on their own since their inception.   Wills vision was developed extremely well into the Sims, and look how that still sells.  Let Maxis do what they are good at, Will Wright,and the Rest of this once non stifled team of great people.  <br /> <br />    Money -  as your propellant in the decision making machine that sits inside your Headquarters has failed to produce anything but the alienation of the very people that made you rich in the first place, MAXIS *AND* YOUR FANS. IMHO.  Just look at whats going on here on this forum.  The machine should be replaced with the man that in fact has MADE AWSOME GAMES in the past.   HE IS YOUR MACHINE, human... yes... but he is your moneymaker.  You chose, in this instance to listen to someone who has NOT made any award winning games, at least to my knowledge.  Rock climbing... sounds just about as exciting as horseback riding on the computer... boring.. Apparently, that was the wrong choice.  This time around it has cost you fans, at least me, anyways.  I stick around because I said I would, not because I play the game.   <br /> <br />   William Wright has PROVEN himself to you, and the fans, many, many, many times over buy now I would imagine.  Why not listen?  Oh yea,  you cannot..   your too busy fighting a lawsuit, which I have great hope you will lose, and sending Will Wright out to crucify himself and try to save face with the very people that adore him is quite horrible of you.  You need to go out and crucify yourself instead In my Humble opinion!  Maybe a little punishment for all of this would do you some good, make you realize your mistakes and be more inclined to fix them now and into the future.  <br /> <br /> <br />    Public Relations is the PUBLISHERS RESPONSIBILITY in my humble opinion, the Great Mind behind it all William Wright shouldn't be your fix up boy, sent out to try to mend the damage that your employee caused, because you chose to listen to him instead of Will.  You let the moderator of the forum that messed up your public relations go[for telling a customer that they wont be able to use their code anymore because of a LEGITIMATE GRIPE he/she had posted....   why not let the man that supposedly was the cause of this blunder go as well, for an EVEN GREATER blunder..! or at least find the man that WAS responsible.  I don't want to point fingers at any innocent people here.   <br />                                                                                <br />  A Dedicated FAN of the ORIGINAL Maxis<br /> <br /> The Preceding Words are MY HUMBLE OPINION ONLY]]></description>
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