http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/24.page JForum - http://www.jforum.net http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941378.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941378.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941390.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941390.page GMT They're both good creators, it's not like they're putting crap up there. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941397.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941397.page GMT


Quality doesnt matter. You cant 'crush' them.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941398.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941398.page GMT
And I suggested that to give other people a chance.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941409.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941409.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941413.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941413.page GMT They have way to many fan boys to triumph them with quality. Since when has this game been about quality?

Edit: Not to sound snooty, but why should they? They got up there and they're reigning champs. Why should they step down to give others a chance? It's harsh but true.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941415.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941415.page GMT That's rediculous! Maxis have completely ruined the first page All they could of done is add a new Widget or what ever they are called rather than completely remodel the page and anger what appears to be so many people.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941430.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941430.page GMT They have way to many fan boys to triumph them with quality. Since when has this game been about quality?

Edit: Not to sound snooty, but why should they? They got up there and they're reigning champs. Why should they step down to give others a chance? It's harsh but true.[/quote]

Your right.

Top of the MPN quality has gone downhill like mad since Zach and Goatface dominated it a while back. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941429.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941429.page GMT They have way to many fan boys to triumph them with quality. Since when has this game been about quality?

Edit: Not to sound snooty, but why should they? They got up there and they're reigning champs. Why should they step down to give others a chance? It's harsh but true.[/quote]

Your right.

Top of the MPN quality has gone downhill like mad since Zach and Goatface dominated it a while back. [/quote]

It just kind of ruins the fun of letting new creators join the community. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941438.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941438.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941450.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941450.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941452.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941452.page GMT
This started off as a game, then people wanted fame and nothing else. Now their best chances have been taken away many people are angered by it. And what do we get of it? Mass-downrating. It's good for us to feel proud of our own creations, but we'll always feel even the slightest bit affected by this...]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941481.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941481.page GMT
What are you talking about exactly? Before they changed the home page the Most Popular New list was in the Sporepedia and the top 4 was on the home page. When they changed the home page they took the top 4 off of it. Now they have put the top 4 back onto the home page.

The Most Popular New list never left the Sporepedia. You're acting like it's the end of the world and nothing has really changed. They just put it back the way it was.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941531.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941531.page GMT
All of you people in this thread have good points. It's just, I know Hollow(my bro) to be a phenominal creator(if you've seen his stuff, he should be up there more the slarti IMO). And his stuff never reaches the same level, nor does he have enough subs for people to consider him one of the best. It kind of infuriates me, as he's never gotten number 1 for me then about an hour before one of Goatface's things took the MPN from him. People like him are all over the place, better than the so called top creators but unnoticed because of all slarti and foto's fanboys. It's not right, nor is it fair, for slarti to keep a constant hold on the MPN. I believe that them ruling the MPN just needs to end, it's not right for this to happen the way it does.

The most important person to please is yourself. But it's even better for others to know and love you.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941558.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941558.page GMT
The Most Popular New list never left the Sporepedia. You're acting like it's the end of the world and nothing has really changed. They just put it back the way it was.[/quote]



No. You could change what page you are on, and now you cant, making it harder for people to notice things.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941560.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941560.page GMT
this way those who would normally rule would now only be placed with their main competition without drowning out beginners whom will now strive to get on expert mpn.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941566.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941566.page GMT
What are you talking about exactly? Before they changed the home page the Most Popular New list was in the Sporepedia and the top 4 was on the home page. When they changed the home page they took the top 4 off of it. Now they have put the top 4 back onto the home page.

The Most Popular New list never left the Sporepedia. You're acting like it's the end of the world and nothing has really changed. They just put it back the way it was.[/quote]

Put it back the way it was? I believe you could scroll through more than the top 4 most popular... Don't talk of which you do not know. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941569.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941569.page GMT

No. You could change what page you are on, and now you cant, making it harder for people to notice things.[/quote]
Thank you for explaining the difference.

I never did that from the home page. Who wants to see 4 creations at a time?

Did you notice the link for "More Popular Creations" right above the top 4?

It works.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941570.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941570.page GMT I'm not going to tell myself I'm awesome and I'm great, or I'm terrible. In games like these, or even in life, when you're creating something, you like to get feedback whether it be positive or negative. If I tell myself, "All my work is perfect" Then I will never improve. Likewise if I tell myself my work is horrible. It's all well and good to take pride in your work, but no matter what you think, it's the opinion of others which makes you a better creator.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941587.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941587.page GMT I'm not going to tell myself I'm awesome and I'm great, or I'm terrible. In games like these, or even in life, when you're creating something, you like to get feedback whether it be positive or negative. If I tell myself, "All my work is perfect" Then I will never improve. Likewise if I tell myself my work is horrible. It's all well and good to take pride in your work, but no matter what you think, it's the opinion of others which makes you a better creator.[/quote]

I didn't say give yourself undeserved praise. There is always room to improve, and feedback is great, which is why we have comments. Rating, especially since the MPL is as corrupt as you say, and people want to get rid of the rating equivalent of negative feedback (downrating. not saying that mass downrating is good) really isn't a good gauge of feedback.

There is really no way to please everyone as far as the MPL goes. Someone always has to be "above" or infront of someone else. A lot of these creations are too different to compare, and opinions vary. I would love to find out a way to improve the MPL, but so far I see scrapping it again our only option.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941606.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941606.page GMT I'm not going to tell myself I'm awesome and I'm great, or I'm terrible. In games like these, or even in life, when you're creating something, you like to get feedback whether it be positive or negative. If I tell myself, "All my work is perfect" Then I will never improve. Likewise if I tell myself my work is horrible. It's all well and good to take pride in your work, but no matter what you think, it's the opinion of others which makes you a better creator.[/quote]

I didn't say give yourself undeserved praise. There is always room to improve, and feedback is great, which is why we have comments. Rating, especially since the MPL is as corrupt as you say, and people want to get rid of the rating equivalent of negative feedback (downrating. not saying that mass downrating is good) really isn't a good gauge of feedback.[/quote]

At the same time Max, it's fairly important to have the views of others as well. You can be satisfied and improve on your own, but you can go so much further when others look at your work, say what they like about it and tell you how to improve. I mean, most of the time all of us is better than one of us. It's important to listen to people's views, and push your creating skills further and further.

As for downrating, it's rarely because the creation is disapproved of, more often because they want to get past you or because they have no life and love to downrate things. Believe me, often they'll downrate even if they like it. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941641.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941641.page GMT I'm not going to tell myself I'm awesome and I'm great, or I'm terrible. In games like these, or even in life, when you're creating something, you like to get feedback whether it be positive or negative. If I tell myself, "All my work is perfect" Then I will never improve. Likewise if I tell myself my work is horrible. It's all well and good to take pride in your work, but no matter what you think, it's the opinion of others which makes you a better creator.[/quote]

I didn't say give yourself undeserved praise. There is always room to improve, and feedback is great, which is why we have comments. Rating, especially since the MPL is as corrupt as you say, and people want to get rid of the rating equivalent of negative feedback (downrating. not saying that mass downrating is good) really isn't a good gauge of feedback.[/quote]

At the same time Max, it's fairly important to have the views of others as well. You can be satisfied and improve on your own, but you can go so much further when others look at your work, say what they like about it and tell you how to improve. I mean, most of the time all of us is better than one of us. It's important to listen to people's views, and push your creating skills further and further.

As for downrating, it's rarely because the creation is disapproved of, more often because they want to get past you or because they have no life and love to downrate things. Believe me, often they'll downrate even if they like it. [/quote]

Did you read what I wrote? You are looking for other people's views. You get those in [b]comments[/b]. Rating doesn't really supply feedback, as i said before, especially when positive is your only option.

Right now I'm having trouble understanding what you are arguing for or what your goal is. I'm not against you here.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941648.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941648.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941685.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941685.page GMT I'm not going to tell myself I'm awesome and I'm great, or I'm terrible. In games like these, or even in life, when you're creating something, you like to get feedback whether it be positive or negative. If I tell myself, "All my work is perfect" Then I will never improve. Likewise if I tell myself my work is horrible. It's all well and good to take pride in your work, but no matter what you think, it's the opinion of others which makes you a better creator.[/quote]

I didn't say give yourself undeserved praise. There is always room to improve, and feedback is great, which is why we have comments. Rating, especially since the MPL is as corrupt as you say, and people want to get rid of the rating equivalent of negative feedback (downrating. not saying that mass downrating is good) really isn't a good gauge of feedback.[/quote]

At the same time Max, it's fairly important to have the views of others as well. You can be satisfied and improve on your own, but you can go so much further when others look at your work, say what they like about it and tell you how to improve. I mean, most of the time all of us is better than one of us. It's important to listen to people's views, and push your creating skills further and further.

As for downrating, it's rarely because the creation is disapproved of, more often because they want to get past you or because they have no life and love to downrate things. Believe me, often they'll downrate even if they like it. [/quote]

Did you read what I wrote? You are looking for other people's views. You get those in [b]comments[/b]. Rating doesn't really supply feedback, as i said before, especially when positive is your only option.

Right now I'm having trouble understanding what you are arguing for or what your goal is. I'm not against you here.[/quote]

I see what you're saying but rating is a reward for those who make good creations--at least this is what it's supposed to be. If someone makes something exceptional, but you can only comment on it, there's no "reward" to that creator other than getting a "good job!" for creating something above standards. That is what the mpn is supposed to be. But as always people will abuse these kinds of freedoms and others will excel to receive more and more "rewards"]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941688.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941688.page GMT
[b]Muffin,[/b] now you're taking a personal vendetta against Slarti. Its not the users themselves that choose these uprates, especially when people like Slarti dont really advertise. This kind of unfair negative attention can only lead to downrating, which this thread is against. Picking people out for negative attention is just as bad as for positive attention. Slarti makes incredible stuff. You cant say that the MPL spots are undeserved.

So, and I'm only shooting in the dark here, but it sounds like the MPL itself is not the issue here. At least from what Muffin is saying, subscribing is the "problem". In some eyes, these subscribers create a buffer around someone that increases their chances to get on the MPL. Now, first of all, this is no where near always true. I've been easily beaten out by people with fewer subscribers. You need to realize that there are more variables involved in this than merely subscribers. (not to mention the fact that subscribing is there as a convenience tool to always recieve creations from a creator you like)]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941714.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941714.page GMT
But who doesn't think that. I'm sure even slarti and foto can agree.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941758.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941758.page GMT
But who doesn't think that. I'm sure even slarti and foto can agree.[/quote]

Since when have popularity contests been fair? Hence "popularity" contest. That's the thing. We dont need a Most "Popular" New List, but a Most "talented" or "creative" New List. If we can figure out a system to do that, I'm game. Then you would still need to own up and submit when Slarti and Foto end up owning that list too. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941770.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941770.page GMT the reason others are not is because the people like slartis and fotos stuff better ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941793.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941793.page GMT the reason others are not is because the people like slartis and fotos stuff better [/quote]

It's because they are more noticed more likely. But I admit, there are probably people who prefer their style.
FYI, I'm not just defending Hollow. It's also people like Tector and Shattari not getting up there.

@Max: That would be the feature list, but there is a problem with it.
1. While I don't think cheating is the best thing ever, since we can share creations with addDNA, why not feature them too.
2. Maxis can't tell what's a great creation and what's more average for their life.

Perhaps we should pick out 10 people from the community to decide on it, but I dunno. How do you guys think this should be handled.

]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941835.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941835.page GMT the reason others are not is because the people like slartis and fotos stuff better [/quote]

Not all of it, but I see your point.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941934.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941934.page GMT
Scenario Time
New game. Amazing customizable creator.
Everything starts off at an amateur level. (of course)
A few choice people shine right in the beginning.
Infinite Popularity is born.


Slart,foto, and many other great creators came [b]first[/b]. So they are treated like "[b]firsts[/b]" The man who invented the cell phone, while more useful and better, never got as much praise as the man who created the original phone. The man who created the original phone was a revolutionist. The others just took his idea and added on to it. The same thing applies in Spore. Here's a perfect example: Baby Animals. Zachd94 starts doing them. He gets insane ratings. Other people make baby animals that are just as good if not better, but since zach started them, he's the "king" so to say, of baby animals. So even if someone else started making super heroes and villains just as good as slart, they wouldn't be as popular due to his seniority and his original concept.

One more example that needs no elaboration.
1. McCafe arrives
2. Coffee Toffe Twisted Frosty arrives one week later.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941999.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/941999.page GMT the reason others are not is because the people like slartis and fotos stuff better [/quote]

Not all of it, but I see your point.[/quote] can you give examples]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942091.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942091.page GMT [/quote]

[img]http://ll-487.ea.com/spore/static/image/500/357/487/500357487158_lrg.png[/img]

vs

[img]http://ll-208.ea.com/spore/static/image/500/357/208/500357208148_lrg.png[/img]

Imo I like the second one more. Im no Foto hater, he's on my buddies list, but I believe there are better creators who dont get to the top.

@Lunar: Good example, lol. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942127.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942127.page GMT
Scenario Time
New game. Amazing customizable creator.
Everything starts off at an amateur level. (of course)
A few choice people shine right in the beginning.
Infinite Popularity is born.


Slart,foto, and many other great creators came [b]first[/b]. So they are treated like "[b]firsts[/b]" The man who invented the cell phone, while more useful and better, never got as much praise as the man who created the original phone. The man who created the original phone was a revolutionist. The others just took his idea and added on to it. The same thing applies in Spore. Here's a perfect example: Baby Animals. Zachd94 starts doing them. He gets insane ratings. Other people make baby animals that are just as good if not better, but since zach started them, he's the "king" so to say, of baby animals. So even if someone else started making super heroes and villains just as good as slart, they wouldn't be as popular due to his seniority and his original concept.

One more example that needs no elaboration.
1. McCafe arrives
2. Coffee Toffe Twisted Frosty arrives one week later.[/quote]

That's a very good point, and most of the time true. Although, I remember long ago I made an Early Creature. I doubt anyone will believe this as I am not a "Top Creator", but at the time I think it was one of the very first Early Creatures; people commenting on it liked it and said it was totally original and never seen it before. Then, I saw many people making earlies, all of which became very popular. I lost my chance there of getting noticed because I myself wasn't as popular as those who had used that original idea. I've also seen people doing other similar ideas I have taken on, like the neon creatures that used to be in my signature ([b]EDIT : My mailbox creature is a perfect example[/b]).

But, still, I know what Lunar means and I must agree. That is usually what happens...]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942135.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942135.page GMT [/quote]

[img]http://ll-487.ea.com/spore/static/image/500/357/487/500357487158_lrg.png[/img]

vs

[img]http://ll-208.ea.com/spore/static/image/500/357/208/500357208148_lrg.png[/img]

Imo I like the second one more. Im no Foto hater, he's on my buddies list, but I believe there are better creators who dont get to the top.

@Lunar: Good example, lol. [/quote]

I am guessing Foto's creation was more popular? I'm a big fan of his work too, I have him buddied, but the second one is far more better...]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942148.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942148.page GMT [/quote]

[img]http://ll-487.ea.com/spore/static/image/500/357/487/500357487158_lrg.png[/img]

vs

[img]http://ll-208.ea.com/spore/static/image/500/357/208/500357208148_lrg.png[/img]

Imo I like the second one more. Im no Foto hater, he's on my buddies list, but I believe there are better creators who dont get to the top.

@Lunar: Good example, lol. [/quote]

Two entirely different creations. Not comparable in the least. That's what you dont get.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942155.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942155.page GMT
As for Hollow, thanks for the example. And Max, just because they are different doesn't mean one can't be off higher quality regardless.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942158.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942158.page GMT
Okay...? Maybe I dont get it. But I know which one I prefer, and which one a lot of people would like to see on the first page.

Im not fighting you guys, I think they deserve it. But I think that other creators deserve that kind of fame, too.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942164.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942164.page GMT
Okay...? Maybe I dont get it. But I know which one I prefer, and which one a lot of people would like to see on the first page.

Im not fighting you guys, I think they deserve it. But I think that other creators deserve that kind of fame, too.[/quote]

What I'm saying, to Muffin as much as you, is that you guys are trying to compare creators and creations that shouldn't be compared in the first place. (the MPL does this too, dont get me wrong) Unless two creators are going towards the same goal, they cannot be compared in the least. They are simply [b]different[/b], and excellent in their own ways.

Now, if you showed me two creations, both attempting to replicate Trace, then you could fairly say which is better.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942173.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942173.page GMT
Okay...? Maybe I dont get it. But I know which one I prefer, and which one a lot of people would like to see on the first page.

Im not fighting you guys, I think they deserve it. But I think that other creators deserve that kind of fame, too.[/quote]

Agreed..

([i]dam it I keep saying that[/i])]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942175.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942175.page GMT
This has been happening for the last 9 months it's nothing new =p

Why do you think every now and then people have a boycott or protest against the rating system =p - Woe betide you get into the top 10 MPN and are a relative unknown because you'll get red faced for certain... ironic really that the MPN serves as a way of getting your creations downated into oblivion. (it's happened to me almost every time I've been on the top 5 MPN in the last 6 months)]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942179.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942179.page GMT
Okay...? Maybe I dont get it. But I know which one I prefer, and which one a lot of people would like to see on the first page.

Im not fighting you guys, I think they deserve it. But I think that other creators deserve that kind of fame, too.[/quote]

What I'm saying, to Muffin as much as you, is that you guys are trying to compare creators and creations that shouldn't be compared in the first place. (the MPL does this too, dont get me wrong) Unless two creators are going towards the same goal, they cannot be compared in the least. They are simply [b]different[/b], and excellent in their own ways.

Now, if you showed me two creations, both attempting to replicate Trace, then you could fairly say which is better.[/quote]

Which is why both of them should get as much fame as the other, and Foto's always gets more. Therefore the MPN is unfair.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942181.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942181.page GMT
Believe me, I know that. As a sig maker it's very difficult to compare to sigs by different people because of different styles. ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942183.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942183.page GMT
Okay...? Maybe I dont get it. But I know which one I prefer, and which one a lot of people would like to see on the first page.

Im not fighting you guys, I think they deserve it. But I think that other creators deserve that kind of fame, too.[/quote]

What I'm saying, to Muffin as much as you, is that you guys are trying to compare creators and creations that shouldn't be compared in the first place. (the MPL does this too, dont get me wrong) Unless two creators are going towards the same goal, they cannot be compared in the least. They are simply [b]different[/b], and excellent in their own ways.

Now, if you showed me two creations, both attempting to replicate Trace, then you could fairly say which is better.[/quote]

Which is why both of them should get as much fame as the other, and Foto's always gets more. Therefore the MPN is unfair.[/quote]

Yes, yes. We've been over this time and time again in this thread. Pointing out this fact alone is useless. We need to figure out an alternative system in which this can be possible, or else all of this babble (mine included) is useless.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942185.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942185.page GMT You like the other creation on your opinion but more like fotos creation on their opinion ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942207.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942207.page GMT
Yes the MPN is broken and unfair. But let's look at the alternatives:



[b]A) We ban certain creators from appearing on the MPN/weight them based on subscribers[/b]

This isa bad idea because once you reach a certain number of subscribers you are forced into effective retirement as you will never again get any publicity on the Spore page. In essence they return to being an unseen creator, with a subscriber base that will in time degrade until they have few "real" susbcribers, just a dead weight of now-gone players. Is this a good idea, to hide the top name creators for the sake of boosting up some new creators?

[b]B) We remove the MPN altogether so there is no favoritism?[/b]

The MPN while it is pretty horribly chock full of the same guys week in week out, some new creators make a lucky break in the MPN and get their first susbcribers. Without theMPN the new faces are evenless liekly to be seen than with it.
[b]
C) We limit the MPN list to have only 1 creation by any given author at a time[/b]

This makes more sense to me. It's kinda "meh" to see 3 or 4 creations hogging the top spot all by the same guy, however this kinda thing requires more processing from the server and so is harder to implement.



So.. which is the lesser evil? =p


]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942211.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942211.page GMT Basically what I've been saying.

As for the "evil" of C, you're right. The issue there is how one chooses which creation to be selected for the MPL. The one most rated? That can change and vary throughout the day. The one you personally pick? That could lead to one that you like, but everyone else doesn't, so the opportunity is wasted, and it doesnt get up on the MPL. The newest? Then what happens when you share something else? Is there the twenty four hour window of the currently selected creation before the next is elligible? Then we have the issue of creations expiring before they are allowed on the MPL.

Yeah, just reinforcing your point, but that's just some stuff that crossed my mind.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942218.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942218.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942219.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942219.page GMT

No.. I wouldn't even be able to do that ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942232.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942232.page GMT

No.. I wouldn't even be able to do that [/quote]

hmmmm......what a strange concept. why didn't I think of that when I first posted about not caring about the MPL and enjoying your creations...... ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942237.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942237.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942244.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942244.page GMT
Yes the MPN is broken and unfair. But let's look at the alternatives:



[b]A) We ban certain creators from appearing on the MPN/weight them based on subscribers[/b]

This isa bad idea because once you reach a certain number of subscribers you are forced into effective retirement as you will never again get any publicity on the Spore page. In essence they return to being an unseen creator, with a subscriber base that will in time degrade until they have few "real" susbcribers, just a dead weight of now-gone players. Is this a good idea, to hide the top name creators for the sake of boosting up some new creators?

[b]B) We remove the MPN altogether so there is no favoritism?[/b]

The MPN while it is pretty horribly chock full of the same guys week in week out, some new creators make a lucky break in the MPN and get their first susbcribers. Without theMPN the new faces are evenless liekly to be seen than with it.
[b]
C) We limit the MPN list to have only 1 creation by any given author at a time[/b]

This makes more sense to me. It's kinda "meh" to see 3 or 4 creations hogging the top spot all by the same guy, however this kinda thing requires more processing from the server and so is harder to implement.



So.. which is the lesser evil? =p


[/quote] Yeah you ever put up with the MPN or none at all also how does it seem that ryuugin seems to be the voice of reason ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942245.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942245.page GMT
out]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942254.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942254.page GMT
out[/quote]

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I'm not sure i see any connection between what this topic is about and what you just said.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942293.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942293.page GMT
out[/quote] what do you mean ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942298.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942298.page GMT
Faster than the old system, too. I like it.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942318.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942318.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942322.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942322.page GMT
Faster than the old system, too. I like it.[/quote] I like it better this way too. now I can see the MPN faster ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942324.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942324.page GMT
Like at Spore Uni? That's an idea.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942327.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942327.page GMT Yep, just like Spore Uni which is actually where the idea came from.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942352.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942352.page GMT

No.. I wouldn't even be able to do that [/quote]

hmmmm......what a strange concept. why didn't I think of that when I first posted about not caring about the MPL and enjoying your creations...... [/quote]

Strange indeed lol but still you're right in that first post... ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942366.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942366.page GMT
Scenario Time
New game. Amazing customizable creator.
Everything starts off at an amateur level. (of course)
A few choice people shine right in the beginning.
Infinite Popularity is born.


Slart,foto, and many other great creators came [b]first[/b]. So they are treated like "[b]firsts[/b]" The man who invented the cell phone, while more useful and better, never got as much praise as the man who created the original phone. The man who created the original phone was a revolutionist. The others just took his idea and added on to it. The same thing applies in Spore. Here's a perfect example: Baby Animals. Zachd94 starts doing them. He gets insane ratings. Other people make baby animals that are just as good if not better, but since zach started them, he's the "king" so to say, of baby animals. So even if someone else started making super heroes and villains just as good as slart, they wouldn't be as popular due to his seniority and his original concept.

One more example that needs no elaboration.
1. McCafe arrives
2. Coffee Toffe Twisted Frosty arrives one week later.[/quote]

That's a very good point, and most of the time true. Although, I remember long ago I made an Early Creature. I doubt anyone will believe this as I am not a "Top Creator", but at the time I think it was one of the very first Early Creatures; people commenting on it liked it and said it was totally original and never seen it before. Then, I saw many people making earlies, all of which became very popular. I lost my chance there of getting noticed because I myself wasn't as popular as those who had used that original idea. I've also seen people doing other similar ideas I have taken on, like the neon creatures that used to be in my signature ([b]EDIT : My mailbox creature is a perfect example[/b]).

But, still, I know what Lunar means and I must agree. That is usually what happens...[/quote]

I see, but are you sure they "copied" you like they copied the baby animals? Is it possible that they also thought to make earlies? ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942509.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942509.page GMT http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942521.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942521.page GMT
I dont get it. Its Iron Man. Pretty cool. Slarti's iron man made it on the MPL a few days ago too.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942580.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942580.page GMT It's a great creation. It's up there because people like it, and (naturally) rated it up.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942608.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942608.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942670.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942670.page GMT [/quote]

Yeah. I tend to avoid that as much as possible, so I keep tabs on creators who tend to make the same stuff as i do. Not sure why Foto decided to make one too, but they are both cool in their own ways.]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942674.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942674.page GMT ]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942716.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942716.page GMT [/quote]
Do you consider Slaughter better than Foto?]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942837.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942837.page GMT I'm not going to answer that becuase it'll start a war....[color=yellow][size=7]foto[/size][/color]]]> http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942862.page http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/preList/30938/942862.page GMT