CANNIBAL wrote:

I can assure you that the government will never do anything that is productive or benifical for the public, and that is selfevident. There is in fact a post at the top of the index that states that a patch is to come soon. I in fact did have an issue with the first patch, which was the way my creations were loaded to Sporepedia, but that only required the deletion of multiples.

Thank you, for the interesting and civil exchange!

Hmm.. are we comparing the government to EA. Intersting. There are many similarities, for sure......

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theultimateend wrote:

CANNIBAL wrote:

theultimateend wrote:

CANNIBAL wrote:

theultimateend wrote:

CANNIBAL wrote:Just a thought, since I haven't had one single issue with this game - how many people, that are having problems, are trying to run it on older computers? I have an AMD 9500 Phenom on an ASUS M3A32-MVP with two ATI 3850's in Crossfire config and 8 meg of OCZ. Now I realize that is alot of computer, but those of you with issues, have you tried to run at lower res and other graphic settings? You maybe bitchin' for no reason other than the capability of your system. If you tried this solution and still have problems and your computer meets the requirements for running the program, then SPORE away, if not try it and see if your problems go away. EA and MAXIS are not going to come to your house and figure it out for you and as near as I can tell they are making every effort to make this thing work for everyone they can. This is a huge program and it must be worked through line by line, it takes just a little time. As I stated in another thread, try counting to a million sometime, bet you can't do it.

If you split up 1 million lines of code between 20 people that's 50,000 lines a person. Now we assume the average person can read 3 lines per second (realistically you could do more accurately). That's 16,666 and 2/3rd seconds per person. That means it would take a team of 20 moderately talented people 277 minutes or 4.6 hours to read one million lines.

So you get me 19 other people and I'll be glad to prove I can do it.

1 Million is only a lot if you try to do it by yourself. No multi million dollar project has 'one guy'.

Also the fact that so many people ARE having problems is proving your point null. When its one or two people it's the people, if you have thousands of complaints (so many that they can barely keep up with the reports) then there is an issue with compatibility.

Then you take into account most people have 9-10 other games they play without errors which compounds the issue. I 'personally' haven't had any other than the occasional crash but that's not to say the game is perfect it just means that with my particular setup and my drivers it doesn't find any conflicts.

Point taken! Now make alteration, test, make alteration ,test, make alteration, test.......however many X's this takes. Do this with 20 different configurations, now how long does it take you?

It depends we are now working on a hypothetical where I am not intelligent enough to realize the issue was my program attempting to divide by zero or I had mistakenly left out a closing bracket.

Most errors are not ones that require multiple tests they are mere omissions of closing brackets or excess brackets. Of course you already knew this I imagine.

Using hypothetical situations is always a bad idea, because you are assuming forthright the incompetence of the targets in question. That is rude and generally incorrect. It's akin to the mean-world hypothesis.

Once again point taken, but isn't the assumption that EA/MAXIS are not working to correct these issue also a hypothetical, at this early point in time?

I don't recall ever saying they weren't. I just don't see any evidence to show that they are. Unfortunately the omission of evidence or logs leads many to believe otherwise.

I can assure you that the government is doing nothing to provide you with inexpensive health care, even though I don't have evidence to negate that truth I have compounding evidence that shows the repeated instances of the opposite occurring and the lack of any news two assume otherwise.

Had they done what is considered normal and provided the community with a list of proposed fixes and current projects they'd have had a fraction of the complaints they currently are stomaching.

I can assure you that if I owned a business I wouldn't stay tight lipped towards the very people filling my wallet. They would be the second group of people to know anything I had on mind, right after my staff.

I can assure you that the government will never do anything that is productive or benifical for the public, and that is selfevident. There is in fact a post at the top of the index that states that a patch is to come soon. I in fact did have an issue with the first patch, which was the way my creations were loaded to Sporepedia, but that only required the deletion of multiples.

Thank you, for the interesting and civil exchange!

I do what I can .

Just remember that the only reason the government is the way it is is because of passive disgust. We displace ourselves from politics because we feel it is dirty, thus leaving only dirty people to fill its spots.

The same can be said for the gaming community. If we allow companies to treat games like hollow 50 dollar wallet lifters they'll become as such.

I can remember a time when all I had to do was close my eyes, spin three times and point. Whatever I opened my eyes to ended up being at least entertaining enough to justify its price tag. These days I have to investigate like a slueth and even then I get defeated.

You have a good one . I'm going to return to reading about Temporal Arrangement of Stimuli . Got a test on monday -.-

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bonobotheory wrote:

CANNIBAL wrote:Point taken! Now make alteration, test, make alteration ,test, make alteration, test.......however many X's this takes. Do this with 20 different configurations, now how long does it take you?

It shouldn't take EA any longer than it takes any other company. But for some reason, EA's games have more compatibility issues than any other company whose games I've played.

Code not EA's problem, they are the publisher.

Whose problem is it, if not EA's? "Maxis" is nothing but a brand name now. EA is the one who pushed the game out the door without sufficient testing (like they do with all of their PC games). It's entirely EA's problem.

RedLightning777 wrote:Yes this thread has gone quite well I have to say.

Me thinks it maybe, ADULTS are present!

bonobotheory wrote:
Whose problem is it, if not EA's? "Maxis" is nothing but a brand name now. EA is the one who pushed the game out the door without sufficient testing (like they do with all of their PC games). It's entirely EA's problem.

I htink he's more pointing to the fact that EA didn't partake in the actual creation of the game, just the testing (probably limited with the SPORE that was produced), advertising, marketing, packaging and shipping, as well as maintaining the servers, of course.
Maxis' people are the ones that created the game...coded it. However, all these glitches and the fact that it did a 180 should have been caught in the testing phases.

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RedLightning777 wrote:Yes this thread has gone quite well I have to say.

Me thinks it maybe, ADULTS are present!

Judging from the 1 star that you had as I type this.. I'm thinking that you are wrong. There's a lurking one star rater around here

bonobotheory wrote:

CANNIBAL wrote:

bonobotheory wrote:

CANNIBAL wrote:Point taken! Now make alteration, test, make alteration ,test, make alteration, test.......however many X's this takes. Do this with 20 different configurations, now how long does it take you?

It shouldn't take EA any longer than it takes any other company. But for some reason, EA's games have more compatibility issues than any other company whose games I've played.

Code not EA's problem, they are the publisher.

Whose problem is it, if not EA's? "Maxis" is nothing but a brand name now. EA is the one who pushed the game out the door without sufficient testing (like they do with all of their PC games). It's entirely EA's problem.

While I agree with your statement concerning EA's bad habits, the coders are contracted to EA to provide the end product and it is not their fault that EA pushed it out the door before it was "right". I am sure the folks at MAXIS told EA that if they went ahead with release there would be issues. Yes, customer satisfaction is EA's problem, please allow the folks at MAXIS time to set it right. It is your choice on to either purchase or not purchase another EA published game, but my experiance with all the MAXIS games have always ultimatly lead to hours of great game play, regaurdless of EA's screw-ups.

I'll wait and see what it adds to the gameplay (if anything).

In all probability, I won't be buying a parts pack until I see if expansion packs make the game more interesting. It's not out of protest, I just don't want it. The creators are really great, but the game part of Spore just doesn't do it for me. I'd rather get something that added gameplay.

Bah...Please don't wait! Just DON'T BUY IT!!

Last time I've checked, EA wasn't a charity club. I really don't get all the "OMG they want your money". Really? Tell me of a single stock-rated company wich doesn't like to make money.

And no, I'm not saying it's the most "ethically" correct thing to do. It's not. But huge companies like EA don't care about "ethics", they care about big bucks. Looks like some of you guys are into PC gaming from a couple days. It's how it works, it's *supposed* to work this way.

And no, screaming "Don't buy it" is not going to change anything. Like every single game out there, the forum communities represent a very small, almost irrelevant percentage of the players base. Sure, it's a very vocal, non-casual minority, wich makes it a less convenient target to satisfy for big companies like EA.

And before some "OMG fanboy!" troll comes in: no, I'm not satisfied with Spore. It has some amazing potential, but still looks like a huge beta version. It's unpolished and some stages still need A LOT of work. I'm still enjoying it, but I don't see it lasting for more than a couple weeks, if they don't put some serious work on it.

Am I going to buy the part pack? I don't know, really. I'll see when it comes out.

whats with you guys? a part pack is better then nothing! in fact, I want a part pack more then a expanshion pack right now, its to early for a full expanshion pack now anyways

Glad to see the rumour finally has become truth so we stop the silly arguements

Gonna stay on the fence for now.
But I must know what this Spore Wars is about.

I just have to .

edit: D'oh Its for the Wii

AiShizuka wrote:Last time I've checked, EA wasn't a charity club. I really don't get all the "OMG they want your money". Really? Tell me of a single stock-rated company wich doesn't like to make money.

And no, I'm not saying it's the most "ethically" correct thing to do. It's not. But huge companies like EA don't care about "ethics", they care about big bucks. Looks like some of you guys are into PC gaming from a couple days. It's how it works, it's *supposed* to work this way.

And no, screaming "Don't buy it" is not going to change anything. Like every single game out there, the forum communities represent a very small, almost irrelevant percentage of the players base. Sure, it's a very vocal, non-casual minority, wich makes it a less convenient target to satisfy for big companies like EA.

And before some "OMG fanboy!" troll comes in: no, I'm not satisfied with Spore. It has some amazing potential, but still looks like a huge beta version. It's unpolished and some stages still need A LOT of work. I'm still enjoying it, but I don't see it lasting for more than a couple weeks, if they don't put some serious work on it.

Am I going to buy the part pack? I don't know, really. I'll see when it comes out.

!00% agreement with these statements.

Will I buy PP? In all probability, yes. If it will be worth the cost, remains to be seen, but I am not straped for cash, so personally, it's not that big of a deal, although I can understand how some will feel that this is a crappy way to do business, that is what capitalism is all about. In a non-capitalist system, I doubt you would even see video games being developed. Anybody know of any games being developed in a non-capitalist country?

AiShizuka wrote:Last time I've checked, EA wasn't a charity club. I really don't get all the "OMG they want your money". Really? Tell me of a single stock-rated company wich doesn't like to make money.

And no, I'm not saying it's the most "ethically" correct thing to do. It's not. But huge companies like EA don't care about "ethics", they care about big bucks. Looks like some of you guys are into PC gaming from a couple days. It's how it works, it's *supposed* to work this way.

And no, screaming "Don't buy it" is not going to change anything. Like every single game out there, the forum communities represent a very small, almost irrelevant percentage of the players base. Sure, it's a very vocal, non-casual minority, wich makes it a less convenient target to satisfy for big companies like EA.

And before some "OMG fanboy!" troll comes in: no, I'm not satisfied with Spore. It has some amazing potential, but still looks like a huge beta version. It's unpolished and some stages still need A LOT of work. I'm still enjoying it, but I don't see it lasting for more than a couple weeks, if they don't put some serious work on it.

Am I going to buy the part pack? I don't know, really. I'll see when it comes out.

Yes, they are a business and businesses are there to make money, but the perception of customers is important. If customers feel like they are getting ripped off, they will not return. People want to deal with companies that are operating in good faith. Google's motto is "Don't Be Evil" for a reason. DRM has not hindered piracy, but has hurt regular customers. Some people can't even get the game to run without removing the DRM.

If EA continues to have the attitude of "I don't care about customers", then customers will not buy their games.

Enron didn't care about ethics either.

As for the parts pack, their energy seems to be misplaced. Fix it, make the game run smoothly and provide a reason to expand the game before you try to extract more money.

I'll buy it if theres some pretty good parts in it, The thing that makes this game replayable for me is the fact you make a completely different species each time you play, so it's always good to see what you turn up with at the tribal stage.