wehrmacht223 wrote:

InGenCorp wrote:After all, FDR wasn't exactly in a position to run away from anything, but he was still one of the most effective presidents the USA has ever had.

I couldn't let this comment pass without letting you know how strongly I disagree.

He was amazingly effective at getting his policies passed, that is impossible to deny. Whether or not they were good can be debated.

wehrmacht223 wrote:Who's at the top of the food chain? Humans have the power to wipe out every one of our competitors and control every aspect of our prey's lives.

Of course, "superior life form" is subjective, but from a purely evolutionary standpoint, we are.

What environment are we the top of the food chain?
We are artificially a top predator. If you dropped a human and an alligator into the swamp naked and hungry chances are the gator is going to not be hungry for long. In the ocean shark vs. human same thing. In every instance of human vs. predator humans loose.

I will grant that with tools and weapons to artificially increase our pathetic natural defenses we appear to be the superior animals.

I can't quite remember, but a show called Destination Truth found a strange skeleton of an "Alien Mummy". It was about the size of them generic barbie dolls, it had no arms, had a bulky torso with no skull, biped legs, and hove-like feet.

titaniccreatures wrote:I can't quite remember, but a show called Destination Truth found a strange skeleton of an "Alien Mummy". It was about the size of them generic barbie dolls, it had no arms, had a bulky torso with no skull, biped legs, and hove-like feet.

Half-Easten corpses can look like all sorts of things.

titaniccreatures wrote:I can't quite remember, but a show called Destination Truth found a strange skeleton of an "Alien Mummy". It was about the size of them generic barbie dolls, it had no arms, had a bulky torso with no skull, biped legs, and hove-like feet.

Sounds like a fetus (size suggests pig) that had been scavenged.

DragonEye4 wrote:

titaniccreatures wrote:I can't quite remember, but a show called Destination Truth found a strange skeleton of an "Alien Mummy". It was about the size of them generic barbie dolls, it had no arms, had a bulky torso with no skull, biped legs, and hove-like feet.

Half-Easten corpses can look like all sorts of things.

It was buried under a weak patch in soil. They found a tiny cave where it was. Weird much?

AaronMk wrote:


I can totally trust a guy with hair like that.

You beat me to it.

Couldar wrote:

wehrmacht223 wrote:Who's at the top of the food chain? Humans have the power to wipe out every one of our competitors and control every aspect of our prey's lives.

Of course, "superior life form" is subjective, but from a purely evolutionary standpoint, we are.

What environment are we the top of the food chain?
We are artificially a top predator. If you dropped a human and an alligator into the swamp naked and hungry chances are the gator is going to not be hungry for long. In the ocean shark vs. human same thing. In every instance of human vs. predator humans loose.

I will grant that with tools and weapons to artificially increase our pathetic natural defenses we appear to be the superior animals.

The thing is, though, we don't operate naked. If you drop a naked human into the swamp, that human is no longer operating at normal capacity. It's like throwing the alligator into the fight without any teeth. The whole reason that we are the dominant species is that we are clever, and we know how to prepare for pretty much anything.

Fleenook wrote:
Yeah. And IF aliens visited, how come every "God" Is depicted as either human or partially human?

People, people, people. You've gotta remember that many gods we read about in the Bible or the Tora or some other religious text usually explain that we were made in their image. So if these aliens really did visit us, then it would be more like us looking like them, not the other way around, since these aliens are the gods our ancestors talked about.

For the people who say that the ancients created their own structures, well, kudos for you. They probably did build their own structures and didn't let the aliens do it for them. As to how they did it, well, that question's a little harder to answer. In some ancient texts, though, it says that they actually levitated the megaton stones they usually used to build their buildings.

Here's an article, from http://www.mysterypile.com/coral-castle.php, on a more modern megalithic structure;With a 20th century 'anything is possible vision', Ed Leedskalnin created a masterpiece coral stone sculpture garden in the 1930s by himself that defies explanation. A single, 5ft tall 100lb man was able to hang a 9 ton gate which pivots effortlessly with a single touch, inviting guests into a rock garden of amazement. Included in the wonders is a 30 ton Polaris aligned telescope as part of the 150 ton North Wall and Throne Room, fully functional coral stone rocking chairs, 2.5 ton heart-shaped table, a single piece stone spiral staircase, and a 3 ton functional turnstile. Estimates claim that Ed quarried over 1,100 tons of coral rock in order to build the gardens. Mystery has engulfed the area with questions attempting to figured out how he managed to build so largely, completely alone, and with such precision; something that undoubtedly would be attributed to an entire ancient civilization. Ed is most famous for the stone undercut, a precise cut under the quarried stones which has not been explained by modern masons. There are witnesses who believed they caught Ed moving these blocks through the air and Ed himself wrote once how he discovered the way in which the Egyptians built. So far, modern science has not figured out Ed's methods and remains baffled, though some have speculated he discovered a way to use the geo-magnetic grid to generate anti-gravity waves. Inside the tool room there are many different types of pully systems, devices that appear to be electric motor parts, wire-wrapped bottles, and other related electrical components. It is also important to note the recording at the start of the tour. Ed claims a 3 year duration to move the castle from locations, contrary to the idea of an over night miracle. He also confirms in the recording, dates which are carved on the Obelisk piece: Made 1928, Moved 1932, Born 1887, Latvia.

And we need to remember that their are a lot of wierd places on the earth that even the ancients knew to stay away from. Like the Dyatlov Pass Incident, http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4108;February, 1959, the Ural Mountains in Russia - Ten young cross country skiers from the Ural Polytechnical Institute, eight guys and two girls led by Igor Dyatlov, set out for two weeks of adventure. One became ill and turned back: Little did he know he would be the only one to return alive. Weeks later, searchers found one of the most bizarre scenes in modern lore. The bodies of the nine victims were scattered over a wide area of the frozen landscape. Some were wearing only their underwear. Some were wearing each others' clothes. Two had head injuries. One had no tongue. Two had severe internal chest injuries. None had any visible external signs of trauma. Some of their clothes were found to be radioactive. Circumstances suggested that some the victims may have been blind. Various other witnesses in the region reported bizarre orange spheres in the night sky; and strangest of all, the bodies had orange skin and gray hair.

This was the Soviet Union in the middle of the cold war, and few details other than what I just gave were reported. Journalists attempting to give more information found their books and articles censored. Independent investigators found official records to be missing or classified. Many fingers have pointed at military testing. Did radioactivity from some secret weapons test drive the group insane? Some people think UFOs are responsible for the deaths, citing the reports from other skiers in the region who saw the orange spheres in the night sky in the direction of the Dyatlov party. Russian authorities closed the case, called the cause of death a "compelling unknown force", and classified it top secret. The mountain was renamed Dyatlov Pass. And that's about all that anyone's ever been able to learn about the case.

I found some translated articles from Russian media and some western articles, and although the case offers some really compelling mysteries, it also offers an elephant in the room: The possibility of avalanches being the culprit. I wanted to see how likely avalanches would have been in that area, so I looked it up on Google Earth. Turns out it's hardly the type of place you'd expect avalanches. The hills are low and rounded, much better for cross country skiing than for avalanches, at least according to my personal informal assessment from looking at the terrain on Google Earth. And, obviously, the group felt comfortable enough with any potential danger to make camp where they did. But I also found a Russian tourism brochure for the area that warns of avalanche danger on slopes steeper than 15°. According to the police reports, the slope immediately above the campsite was at 22-23°, and 50 to 100 meters above the campsite it increased to 25-30°. That's quite steep. There was a cornice, and the snow at the campsite was 2 meters deep. There has also been much discussion in the Russian press about the possible role of avalanches in the Dyatlov Pass incident. So I'm going to go ahead and call avalanches a plausible factor in the tragedy.

We live on a strange planet, huh? Well, anyway, these and many more mysteries can be found on the Ancient Aliens series, I wonder how many people here have actually watched the entire series? Oh, and we really shouldn't forget how many interrogative sentences are on that show, I think they've got more questions than any actual statements.

That's great, Tyranno. No try citing sources that combine the rare qualities of not being nuts and having some knowledge of how the world actually works.

For the first story, there's no reason to assume antigravity, aliens, or any other silly things were involved.

For the second, that's perfectly explainable. They froze to death, suffered from hypothermia (hence the clothes), were found by scavengers (who happen to like eating tongues, which is not uncommon), and the orange color can be explained by solar radiation.

You've given us one ingenious sculptor and a mountaineering accident.

Tyranno97 wrote:...We live on a strange planet, huh? Well, anyway, these and many more mysteries can be found on the Ancient Aliens series, I wonder how many people here have actually watched the entire series? Oh, and we really shouldn't forget how many interrogative sentences are on that show, I think they've got more questions than any actual statements.

The issue for me with stuff like this falls back on the human ego issue. We can't figure it out so must have been aliens/god dun it.
As far as the "interrogative sentences" any questions asked start from a false position. They assume that humans couldn't possibly do something so the question then becomes "who dun it". Or they assume that since humans can't figure out a natural explanation then alienz must be responsible.

"I'll just leave the reader to choose wether they believe it or not...."

This is a false statement disguised as sincerity as evidenced by the qualifier

"...but that still leaves a whole lot of events that truly can't be attributed to human ingenuity, even today."

You have given up on explaining it preferring to rest on alienz/god dun it or "it can't be explained" and you are urging anyone who reads it to do so as well.

Couldar wrote:

Tyranno97 wrote:...We live on a strange planet, huh? Well, anyway, these and many more mysteries can be found on the Ancient Aliens series, I wonder how many people here have actually watched the entire series? Oh, and we really shouldn't forget how many interrogative sentences are on that show, I think they've got more questions than any actual statements.

The issue for me with stuff like this falls back on the human ego issue. We can't figure it out so must have been aliens/god dun it.
As far as the "interrogative sentences" any questions asked start from a false position. They assume that humans couldn't possibly do something so the question then becomes "who dun it". Or they assume that since humans can't figure out a natural explanation then alienz must be responsible.

"I'll just leave the reader to choose wether they believe it or not...."

This is a false statement disguised as sincerity as evidenced by the qualifier

"...but that still leaves a whole lot of events that truly can't be attributed to human ingenuity, even today."

You have given up on explaining it preferring to rest on alienz/god dun it or "it can't be explained" and you are urging anyone who reads it to do so as well.

Perhaps...
But one things for certain. I know that when we can't determine how it happened, sometimes we have to admit, that it wasn't humans who accomplished it. It may just be a mystery forever...
As for the "human-like" god approach, some theories say that life on Earth was "seeded" by other intelligent beings, and we're actually, strangely, related to them. Even stranger, some say that the "aliens" are actually us from the distant future (10,000 years +, assuming that we can time travel by then), but I find that a little far fetched. After all, wouldn't that cause a paradox?

Takua01 wrote:But one things for certain. I know that when we can't determine how it happened, sometimes we have to admit, that it wasn't humans who accomplished it. It may just be a mystery forever...

The only way to fail is to quit...
And in my opinion saying that "there will never be an explanation for it" is giving up. Once you quit you can't then claim a new and equally unexplainable explanation for it...

Couldar wrote:

Takua01 wrote:But one things for certain. I know that when we can't determine how it happened, sometimes we have to admit, that it wasn't humans who accomplished it. It may just be a mystery forever...

The only way to fail is to quit...
And in my opinion saying that "there will never be an explanation for it" is giving up. Once you quit you can't then claim a new and equally unexplainable explanation for it...

I'm not quitting. I'm just saying that if you don't believe that aliens did it, then there must be another explanation. However, at the moment, I don't know of anyone with a time machine.

Crap, I was soundly beaten.

Eh, I've got nothing more to add really.