ausdreamer wrote:Kwkiller
There are of course people that did not know. What is being said is those that claim they are hard core Spore/EA games supporters and follow all the news etc would have known.
Also when you found out could and did you launch a lawsuit by yourself immediatley within 2 weeks? Most people that hear about it- first do some solid reasearch that can take anything up to a few months/years to get proper statistics and that is being generous.
You do not read on a forum or online shopping site that there is securom, ring your lawyer and automatically a lawsuit is launched. and also filed in a federal court.
This was planned for some time.

The law suit was not a "lone" filing. It's being pressed by a strong legal firm (which has tackled Sony, makers of SecuROM, before) which filed a COMPLAINT. A complaint is a precursor to a lawsuit.

Please dude, research a bit will u?

Marx83 wrote:

KwKiller wrote:

Pyrion wrote:

deity wrote:We are complayining about any sort of DRM that install a separate hidden program without clearly informing us of whats going to happen.

How so? It was all over the news running up to the game's release. You're telling me that you never saw this coming?

This is why I have to figure that the lawsuit against EA will fail. If EA really "snuck SecuROM in," how are the plaintiffs going to explain all the media attention it was given before the game actually shipped?

I would testify as somebody who does no surf game boards, that I had no idea what secuROM or DRM was until I started on the forums here! Just because a bunch of peoply hype it up, doesn't mean everybody knew. I certainly didn't.

The reason u didn't know is cause all avenues to inform people were closed. The media refused to report on it, even tho countless people (including myself) asked them to.

EA did not put any markings on the box to warn of its DRM scheme (i wonder why?)

The Spore EULA is purposefully vague in regards to install limits, information gathered about your computer and ur uses of it.

The Spore forums prior to this one were run by Naziesq moderators, who would shut down/ban anyone who spoke about SecuROM.

EA was allowed to have several product review drafts ready for release on Amazon.com and Amazon agreed to inflate the star rating. After the negative review bomb (totally uncoordinated btw) Amazon removed all reviews, only to later put them back up claiming a database error was at fault. Amazon also began blocking the posting of reviews about Spore for anyone who rated it a 2 or lower (often claiming the review was not about the "experience" with the product <-- also vague)

Marx83 you are incorrect - (i would not accuse you of lying) about the SPORE shutdown about securom.

The sims 2 site has gazillion threads about it. When it first came up there was a mod that was over zealous- much like our mysporepage here- and got dismissed over it- but since then the only ones that are shut down are the ones that end up in flames and arguments.

There is no conspiracy as you are trying to imply. That is also harped on by people much like the media jumped all over the moderator here for posting people would be banned and not able to play the game- which we know is not true. Some sites reporting this have chosen not to update and correct the reports which just shows they are the ones actually not wanting the truth to be given to the public. They only want the negative side of things which they jump all over.

It is freely open for discussion as per this forum here.

You must not have been around for "The Great Purge". If there are any people left from that time in Spore forum history, they'll attest to it.

Marx83 wrote:

ausdreamer wrote:Kwkiller
There are of course people that did not know. What is being said is those that claim they are hard core Spore/EA games supporters and follow all the news etc would have known.
Also when you found out could and did you launch a lawsuit by yourself immediatley within 2 weeks? Most people that hear about it- first do some solid reasearch that can take anything up to a few months/years to get proper statistics and that is being generous.
You do not read on a forum or online shopping site that there is securom, ring your lawyer and automatically a lawsuit is launched. and also filed in a federal court.
This was planned for some time.

The law suit was not a "lone" filing. It's being pressed by a strong legal firm (which has tackled Sony, makers of SecuROM, before) which filed a COMPLAINT. A complaint is a precursor to a lawsuit.

Please dude, research a bit will u?

You just proved my point- it is presented to be by Melissa Thomas but it is a CA suit by a team ready to pounce. You do the research DUDE!

The strongest argument they have is that it is unkown - but yet you say they know all about it from a previous suit.

Of course they did- ANyone with half a brain could figure out they knew and using some figure head - willing to go along with their ride.
You think gaming companies love money- lawyers are their rival there LOL

Added the following to OP...

EA Creates Revisionist History on Wikipedia

EA's Rip Off Report

EA's Abysmal Record from the Better Business Bureau

Marx thinks hes going to get banned before I do.

If anybody is gonna get banned. It's gonna be me.

Really doesn't matter to me. Not being a fan of the Sims at all I am actually enjoying Spore. This game is very original and allows users to not only have fun playing but have fun creating and using their imagination. How it all streams onto the network is great. Imagine Sim City 5 with the spore style creation catalogs etc etc. Unlimited new buildings etc. Even if you do not like the content of Spore it has some design innovation that will carry over to future developments.

All in all I am glad someone had faith in Spore because I didn't. I dismissed the game ages ago as a failed concept that would never work. The game itself could be expanded in so many ways. The simulations and detail levels in the game are great. I love exploring the universe and seeing all it has to offer. When Spore was just an idea I had a command and conquer game in my brain with hyrbid animals running around fighting. I am glad the concept evolved into what it is now. It's just what I needed an original strategy game.

Now I hate the way EA handles DRM and patching of course and the PC in general these days is sucking because of it but as a game Spore is worth the purchase and I hope they continue to add to it like they did the Sims. The already announced expansion is great and all but seems hardly worth the price. Would be nice to see larger expansion with more value. Cute and Creepy is something I would give away to my customer for halloween for free. Give us decoration creators, flora creators, expand the space stage and give us CO-OP play.

Marx83 wrote:You must not have been around for "The Great Purge". If there are any people left from that time in Spore forum history, they'll attest to it.

{rant}Hmm first spore demo relese player here. Great Purge... Hmm I know a religious thread got canned but great purge? Hell No. Removal of some aussie and certain spammers yes, one flam thread was removed... hmmm Or do you mean the new fourms? DAMMIT ANYWAYS!!!! People were told to copy stuff, annnnd lest I remided some of you that we had a petition going for a very long time. and the mods posted Please save and compile your singitures~ we dont want all your hard work to go to waste, so some mods DO CARE. And Will has even posted. So piss off about securom. I have had no problems with it or drm.{/rantend}

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Elexsiai wrote:So piss off about securom. I have had no problems with it or drm.{/rantend}

Your turn is coming, and when you finally do realize the folly of this statement, we will accept you as a brother.

Dairuka wrote:

Elexsiai wrote:So piss off about securom. I have had no problems with it or drm.{/rantend}

Your turn is coming, and when you finally do realize the folly of this statement, we will accept you as a brother.

I have set up the missile silo my brothers! We shall worship it while the apes run rampant! We mutants must unite - for we are all DEVO.

Anyways, this DRM thing is just a way to prevent second hand sales. That's all it was, that's all it ever will be. It kills the resale value, and forces folks to just bite the bullet.

not to mention we'll NEVER let u forget u said it XD

I like the game but Securom can burn. Soon as I am done with Spore I will have to redo this install without the rootkit or any trace of EA at all. Sad that PC gaming has come to this. Personally I think it could have all been avoided. Id rather buy and use a dongle then install any malware etc that forces the users to alter his installation or computer software. The user should always have full control over the software and decide what goes in and out. What publishers don't realize is they are killing their own business with DRM and EADM etc. The list goes on. Hell I won't even let STEAM on my system as it breaches data integrity and breaks a few defrag apps etc. So far I have had no issues with the Spore DRM etc but sooner or later I will. If not patching then with communicating with a server or something. Eventually publishers will probably get fed up with providing support for DRM etc and move on but this period in PC gaming is lamer than ever. Soon as console DVD require DRM for install and use I think I would just be done with gaming.

Heh...BUMP

After parusing the gamers bill of rights, I though it good to actually post it in the thread!

* Gamers shall have the right to return games that don't work with their computers for a full refund.
* Gamers shall have the right to demand that games be released in a finished state.
* Gamers shall have the right to expect meaningful updates after a game's release.
* Gamers shall have the right to demand that download managers and updaters not force themselves to run or be forced to load in order to play a game.
* Gamers shall have the right to expect that the minimum requirements for a game will mean that the game will play adequately on that computer.
* Gamers shall have the right to expect that games won't install hidden drivers or other potentially harmful software without their consent.
* Gamers shall have the right to re-download the latest versions of the games they own at any time.
* Gamers shall have the right to not be treated as potential criminals by developers or publishers.
* Gamers shall have the right to demand that a single-player game not force them to be connected to the Internet every time they wish to play.
* Gamers shall have the right that games which are installed to the hard drive shall not require a CD/DVD to remain in the drive to play.

This is a tactic That will work!!! I for one have never heard of stardock... nor would I even have thought it different than any other company. Now because of this, I AM GOING TO BUY ALL OF THEIR OFFERINGS, whether I play them or not! I FULLY support this just way of thinking.

updated to include a users interaction with EA support regarding new activations.

http://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/6800.page