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Is there a way to prevent the game from making some creatures sentient? It seems obvious that some creatures (like insects or coyotes) should remain non-sentient. I mean, I love elephants but a race of sentient elephants have just entered into the space stage in my galaxy and I'm having a bit of culture shock dealing with them; especially since I already have many of them populating the food chain of my terraformed planets.
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There's no way of preventing the game from making a race sentient that I've seen. Either keep all systems with the lifeform in question in it occupied (only one sentient race per system, of course) or... I suppose genocide is your only other choice.

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Heh, I myself have had the reverse: on my main race's homeworld they have the tribal version of themselves as the T-2 carivore...


The only way (that I am aware of) to prevent non-sentient creatures from entering the space phase is to create lots of sentient ones with the Space clothing editer so the game won't have to use the animals (with this method I've only encountered one sentient creature that also exists as an animal).




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Arghh wrote:It seems obvious that some creatures (like insects or coyotes) should remain non-sentient.
I'm afraid that doesn't seem obvious to me at all, could you explain why you think that?
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Alexandrads wrote:
Arghh wrote:It seems obvious that some creatures (like insects or coyotes) should remain non-sentient.
I'm afraid that doesn't seem obvious to me at all, could you explain why you think that?


Because the bugs that live in my pantry and the coyotes that raid my trashcans don't hop in their spaceships and fly off with my Cheerioes afterwards. If they did, I'd be more scared than mad (but I'd let them keep the Cheerioes).
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Arghh wrote:Because the bugs that live in my pantry and the coyotes that raid my trashcans don't hop in their spaceships and fly off with my Cheerioes afterwards. If they did, I'd be more scared than mad (but I'd let them keep the Cheerioes).


But these aren't bugs in your pantry, they're bugs from Alpha Centauri 2 who come to spread the word of Spode. Or just steal your cheerios.

Edit: Or more seriously, what demonicpoon is about to say.

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Because the bugs that live in my pantry and the coyotes that raid my trashcans don't hop in their spaceships and fly off with my Cheerioes afterwards. If they did, I'd be more scared than mad (but I'd let them keep the Cheerioes).


Just because they're not intelligent doesn't mean that creatures that resemble insects couldn't feasibly become sentient. Just because it resembles an Earth creature does not mean it would need to take the same evolutionary path.
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demonicspoon wrote:

Just because they're not intelligent doesn't mean that creatures that resemble insects couldn't feasibly become sentient. Just because it resembles an Earth creature does not mean it would need to take the same evolutionary path.


Okay... let me rephrase...
I don't WANT sentient bugs and coyotes around. They are already smart enough to get away with my Cheerios. Imagine what they'll do with a spaceship! Would you want that on your conscience?

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Arghh wrote:
demonicspoon wrote:

Just because they're not intelligent doesn't mean that creatures that resemble insects couldn't feasibly become sentient. Just because it resembles an Earth creature does not mean it would need to take the same evolutionary path.


Okay... let me rephrase...
I don't WANT sentient bugs and coyotes around. They are already smart enough to get away with my Cheerios. Imagine what they'll do with a spaceship! Would you want that on your conscience?


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The more I think about it, the more it worries me. I don't want to go outside and have a bird stop me in the street to offer me cake it doesn't have. I especialy don't want it to be working with a coyotee going through my pockets looking for contraband Cheerios.... Genocide is starting to sound less and less like a bad thing. If only my planet busters weren't all bought from housecats.

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Arghh wrote:

Okay... let me rephrase...
I don't WANT sentient bugs and coyotes around. They are already smart enough to get away with my Cheerios. Imagine what they'll do with a spaceship! Would you want that on your conscience?

Well, if you think of it as a creature that just looks like that, you will feel better. Or, as I do, think of it just as a game, then blow up all of their planets.
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Arghh wrote:
demonicspoon wrote:

Just because they're not intelligent doesn't mean that creatures that resemble insects couldn't feasibly become sentient. Just because it resembles an Earth creature does not mean it would need to take the same evolutionary path.


Okay... let me rephrase...
I don't WANT sentient bugs and coyotes around. They are already smart enough to get away with my Cheerios. Imagine what they'll do with a spaceship! Would you want that on your conscience?


LOL. Fortunately there is a way for you to deal with this: destroy them. Kill 'em, burn 'em, blow 'em away. No more sentient Elephants. But make sure you get 'em all... because they never forget.

But no, there's no evolutionary cap that you can set for other species.

Demonicspoon is correct--what keeps Coyotes and Cockroaches where they are is that there is no available niche for them to fill. If you dropped cockroaches on a planet with only plant life (that they could ingest) and left them there for millions of years, they would evolve to fill all sorts of ecological niches simply because there was no competition in those niches. It's happened many times here on Earth... nix the dinosaurs and the mammals get all uppity. Or in Australia where practically every single exotic and gorgeous species of bird is descended from crows, and marsupials evolved to fill the dog niche, creating marsupials that looked so much like dogs it was a little eerie (Tasmanian Wolf, now extinct).
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I wish that would happen to me. I've got a race of sentient Charizard going on a bet, and they're thriving. However, I want to get a monolith so I can make this Blastoise race I found space-worthy... then blow them to smithereens.
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Would it be impossible to evolve a creature without graspers? I'm thinking of trying to evolve something with a monolith but I don't know if it'll work because it doesn't have graspers.
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Aaaamory wrote:Would it be impossible to evolve a creature without graspers? I'm thinking of trying to evolve something with a monolith but I don't know if it'll work because it doesn't have graspers.


Yes, this is possible. Graspers don't dictate whether a creature can evolve or not.

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