grindstone wrote:But it still passed.

Someone didn't read anything and has no idea what he's talking about. His name starts with a "grind" and ends with a "stone."

This attracted significant national attention, leading the Committee to pass a modified version that tones down the initial language. Now, the Coastal Resources Commission can consider accelerated rates of sea level rise, provided "such rates are from statistically significant, peer-reviewed data and are consistent with historic trends." That language appears to provide enough space for the CRC to use the best available scientific information, provided "historic trends" isn't limited to written history.

This doesn't mean it passed?

grindstone, do you understand at all what the argument in this thread is about? That it passed is irrelevant. The part of the bill that was bad and politically motivated was cut out.

I knew that much. I am still saying it passed, even though It was irrelavent to the current discussion. I guess I probably should have just not said much. I'll try to stick to the program next time.

Now, the Coastal Resources Commission can consider accelerated rates of sea level rise, provided "such rates are from statistically significant, peer-reviewed data and are consistent with historic trends.

Sanity has prevailed.

My work here is done.

Yay for sporemaster! Thank you for posting that scientific analysis/review on the final bill.

I would still much prefer no bill at all. You cannot and should not legislate science. The universe doesn't care what you think or feel or believe and it doesn't give a SPORE about how much money you stand to make or lose.

Stars don't stop shining because you say they're too bright, fires don't stop burning because you say they're too hot, and the seas won't stop surging because you say it's too inconvenient.

There's really no need for this kind of thing. I'm sure if you hit the ocean with a nightstick a couple of times it's BOUND to listen.


Wait.. Nature doesn't work like that? Darn. That ruins my plans to stop climate change by yelling at the sun...

Human stupidity makes the sea rise

the sea rising creates human stupidity

dounttron wrote:There's really no need for this kind of thing. I'm sure if you hit the ocean with a nightstick a couple of times it's BOUND to listen.


Wait.. Nature doesn't work like that? Darn. That ruins my plans to stop climate change by yelling at the sun...

well you could try growing trees to socke in co2

opticbronze wrote:

dounttron wrote:There's really no need for this kind of thing. I'm sure if you hit the ocean with a nightstick a couple of times it's BOUND to listen.


Wait.. Nature doesn't work like that? Darn. That ruins my plans to stop climate change by yelling at the sun...

well you could try growing trees to socke in co2

Omg, awesome idea, let's grow trees!

The trees couldn't make it fast enough. Think about it. all that CO2 would take a long time to fix.

SporeMasterSlyth33 wrote:I would still much prefer no bill at all. You cannot and should not legislate science. The universe doesn't care what you think or feel or believe and it doesn't give a SPORE about how much money you stand to make or lose.

To be fairly honest, with a bit of determination, I think science should legislate (well, in a certain sense) politics.

Sounds like a bit much, but all I'm saying is that most of the recent bills & actions have mostly been to do with war or business.
I'm not literally saying that conventional legislative activity should be loitered with (unless a lot of us request it), but government powers need to 'swot up' before they interfere.
The damage the nuclear arms race had on the US education system says a lot about how information transfer affects things.
Heck, one should see how modern information tech ties in with the arab spring.

There's also a quote from a guy called David Love explaining how information can impact even business. I'll post it if I can find it.

Not only should you not legislate science (another time of politics trumping science being the dark ages), but science & information may be above politics. Science is knowledge. Politics is what you make of that.

TorchwoodArchive wrote:Human stupidity makes the sea rise

the sea rising creates human stupidity

So you don't think that the fact that the Earth's temperature has been on a see-saw since it's inception, nor the fact that the poles are in fact mostly ice left over from the ice age that's just now melting, or the fact that the ozone hole that we so worry about is over the cleanest continent in the world, or that the majority of global sea and temperature rises have been unavoidable because mother nature is a total bee-yotch and likes turning the dials to screw with her species...

You don't think that it was unavoidable? You think humanity and our stupidity has EVERYTHING to do with what has been happening to our global climate.

Truth is, sea levels and temperatures have been rising and falling for centuries. Look past Al Gore's crap and at reality. We can't avoid some things happening to the climate. We can't.

Was the ice age due to human error?

MisterTurtle, I don't believe the Ice Age is valid scientific data under North Carolina's laws.