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legojedij wrote:aren't there a few bacteria that die if they come into contact with water. (the poor little suckers lol)


No, they die when they come into contact with air.

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superserial wrote:We have silicon based life right here on earth. Squids and octopi are both silicon based.


No, they're not. All life on Earth is carbon-based. Thats why alternate biochemistry is theory in every way with no actual precedence.

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leestriter wrote:Life in spore, is obviously based on carbon. And by the assumption of most people on earth, without knowing it or knowingly, they assume life on other planets would also have to be based on carbon.

We all seem to suffer from Carbon chauvinism ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_chauvinism ) the belief that life on other planets would be like us, or more specifically based on carbon.

Now, could be even begin to imagine what life on other planets could be like? For all we know earth would kill them instantly.

Could life be based on silicon? Perhaps even arsenic?

Here is the wikipedia page so you can get some of the basic info needed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_biochemistry. What do you guys think?


There isnt another element that is common enough and can make nearly infinitely long molecules. So carbon is really the only plossible element for life to be based on.

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Explosives! wrote:
superserial wrote:We have silicon based life right here on earth. Squids and octopi are both silicon based.


No, they're not. All life on Earth is carbon-based. Thats why alternate biochemistry is theory in every way with no actual precedence.


SEIZE THE NON-BELIEVER!!! *Explosives! is taken prisoner by an army of sapient plants* Now, you will be tossed into a temporal rift! *plants toss Explosives! into the rift* SEAL THE RIFT!!! *rift gets sealed* Does anyone else wish to object to the existence of non-carbon based life? *crowd of humans is silent* Good. Now destroy the rift opener machine device. *rift opener is destroyed*

DO NOT BLASPHEME! DO NOT BLASPHEME! DO NOT BLASPHEME!

Sorry. I had to start with that. I must correct you. All known life on Earth is carbon-based. We haven't discovered all of the life on Earth yet. The Amazon Rainforest could be full of completely unknown animals. So could the bottom of the ocean. Not all of that undiscovered life has to be carbon-based. It could be silicon-based, calcium-based, or maybe even ununquadium based! You should not make this kind of error.


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No probably not. But I meant no known precedence. And octopuses and squids aren't silicon based. it's sad what is happening to this section.

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Megazear7 wrote:There isnt another element that is common enough and can make nearly infinitely long molecules. So carbon is really the only plossible element for life to be based on.


This is a perfect example of carbon chauvinism. For all we know, carbon-based life could be extremely rare in the universe! I don't assume that life on other planets has to be carbon-based. Oh yeah, its because I watch Doctor Who.


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It could be alot of life based on other elements. Imagine one based on seaborgium.

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Explosives! wrote:It could be alot of life based on other elements. Imagine one based on seaborgium.
Or Liconithium....

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Megazear7 wrote:
leestriter wrote:Life in spore, is obviously based on carbon. And by the assumption of most people on earth, without knowing it or knowingly, they assume life on other planets would also have to be based on carbon.

We all seem to suffer from Carbon chauvinism ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_chauvinism ) the belief that life on other planets would be like us, or more specifically based on carbon.

Now, could be even begin to imagine what life on other planets could be like? For all we know earth would kill them instantly.

Could life be based on silicon? Perhaps even arsenic?

Here is the wikipedia page so you can get some of the basic info needed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_biochemistry. What do you guys think?


There isnt another element that is common enough and can make nearly infinitely long molecules. So carbon is really the only plossible element for life to be based on.





NO!!!!!!!!!!There is no more common element on earth.For all we know there could be planets filled with gold,arsenic,and even some with no carbon at all!Also for sayign such lies you will be sent to the center of the universe where steve willannoy you for all eternity!!!!!!!!!!

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dillodude231 wrote:
Megazear7 wrote:
leestriter wrote:Life in spore, is obviously based on carbon. And by the assumption of most people on earth, without knowing it or knowingly, they assume life on other planets would also have to be based on carbon.

We all seem to suffer from Carbon chauvinism ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_chauvinism ) the belief that life on other planets would be like us, or more specifically based on carbon.

Now, could be even begin to imagine what life on other planets could be like? For all we know earth would kill them instantly.

Could life be based on silicon? Perhaps even arsenic?

Here is the wikipedia page so you can get some of the basic info needed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_biochemistry. What do you guys think?


There isnt another element that is common enough and can make nearly infinitely long molecules. So carbon is really the only plossible element for life to be based on.



NO!!!!!!!!!!There is no more common element on earth.For all we know there could be planets filled with gold,arsenic,and even some with no carbon at all!Also for sayign such lies you will be sent to the center of the universe where steve willannoy you for all eternity!!!!!!!!!!


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Sorry,got out of hand for a bit.xD

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Again, what about life made not out of matter, but pure energy? We've seen this before on television, and it may be possible, its unlikely we'll ever come into contact with them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

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You guys might enjoy this video, its about Spores, and Mycelium...and how they can save our so-far-seemingly-carbon-based planet.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI5frPV58tY

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Megazear7 wrote:
leestriter wrote:Life in spore, is obviously based on carbon. And by the assumption of most people on earth, without knowing it or knowingly, they assume life on other planets would also have to be based on carbon.

We all seem to suffer from Carbon chauvinism ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_chauvinism ) the belief that life on other planets would be like us, or more specifically based on carbon.

Now, could be even begin to imagine what life on other planets could be like? For all we know earth would kill them instantly.

Could life be based on silicon? Perhaps even arsenic?

Here is the wikipedia page so you can get some of the basic info needed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_biochemistry. What do you guys think?


There isn't another element that is common enough and can make nearly infinitely long molecules. So carbon is really the only possible element for life to be based on.

That is true that here on earth there isn't an element other than Carbon that can make infinitely long organic molecules, but that is because we also have an abundance of hydrogen. these hydrocarbons are the fundamental basis for life here on Earth but who is to say that that would be the best suited situation for another planet?

All you would need is a planet with an entirely different chemical makeup from our own and a good amount of two chemicals which react spontaneously. It would be beneficial for these elements to involve natural cycles that the planet goes through so that new material gets continually brought into contact. If given a lot of time I could easily see an organic system the likes of which we couldn't comprehend.

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mchmt55116 wrote:
Megazear7 wrote:
leestriter wrote:Life in spore, is obviously based on carbon. And by the assumption of most people on earth, without knowing it or knowingly, they assume life on other planets would also have to be based on carbon.

We all seem to suffer from Carbon chauvinism ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_chauvinism ) the belief that life on other planets would be like us, or more specifically based on carbon.

Now, could be even begin to imagine what life on other planets could be like? For all we know earth would kill them instantly.

Could life be based on silicon? Perhaps even arsenic?

Here is the wikipedia page so you can get some of the basic info needed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_biochemistry. What do you guys think?


There isn't another element that is common enough and can make nearly infinitely long molecules. So carbon is really the only possible element for life to be based on.

That is true that here on earth there isn't an element other than Carbon that can make infinitely long organic molecules, but that is because we also have an abundance of hydrogen. these hydrocarbons are the fundamental basis for life here on Earth but who is to say that that would be the best suited situation for another planet?

All you would need is a planet with an entirely different chemical makeup from our own and a good amount of two chemicals which react spontaneously. It would be beneficial for these elements to involve natural cycles that the planet goes through so that new material gets continually brought into contact. If given a lot of time I could easily see an organic system the likes of which we couldn't comprehend.


Well, I dunno. I can't see it. The main reason is that our chemists can't do very varied or complex things with other elements. Carbon based chemistry is a much bigger field than all other chemistry together. Actually, it's probably an infinite field. It is with carbon that compounds starts to become interesting.

 
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