Ultimate, i already agree with just about every post you make. Brilliant, and i'd be your #1 fan but then you've probably got real life friends and a mom.... So i can be your #1 online fan.

"The article says Will Wright was sort of overturned on a lot of sciency simulation stuff by others on the team concerned about marketing and playability. "

This is what I have suspected. I just can't believe that the writer of SimLife would have come up with this piece of cutesy trash.

Now I'm even more angry This article just makes me feel sick to my stomach. There is a process of the Hasbroization of anything good. We don't get any good movies anymore, they need to be dumbed down so that 8 year olds can enjoy them. There is nothing good on TV anymore for the same reason. Everything is this bland family-friendly pablum.

Well, I hope this decision harms your sales, Maxis and EA, to such an extent that you quit dumbing your products down. Screw this.

SimLife, you know what, I still have that CD laying around somewhere. SimEarth too. All I need are a few other parts and I can make SimSpore 199x.

The new game is so tragic because you can see the work, the hours, the months, the years, and then you can see the claw where it had its very guts ripped from it.

When Will Wright makes a game, shut up and just work. Give opinions, give ideas, but make the game in his vision. From what I am learning and reading, his vision was as is said here, compromised.

So what if Spore would have had a slower start to catch on? It would have brought procedural to a whole new crowd who could use it in the future of gaming. Heck, you could have kept that vision, added a complexity slider, and had all the cute fluff you wanted based on what complexity you wanted.

Maybe Spore is not doomed though, maybe if, just if, we're loud enough, the spore we wanted, the one he envisioned, could be brought to us. In spite of bugs and such, they could be patched. Even on this build we have now, maybe it could be patched.

Not expanded. Patched. If that ever happened, that one sublime act of saying "here it is, as it was meant to be" would be the single most amazing act of integrity on an online game-based world... ever.

Then you could really call him Gaming Jesus. Or Spode.

ghadis wrote:Well, I hope this decision harms your sales, Maxis and EA, to such an extent that you quit dumbing your products down.

It won't. Those people who wanted "science spore" went and brought it anyway despite the fact that it was obvious prior to release spore wasn't what they wanted/expected. You only had to look at the trailer to see that. Naturally we hear a lot of complaining after but the sale has been made and EA have the cash. Then we have the vast majority of people who actually brought and enjoy the game as is and there are a lot of them. All told probably a lot of units sold and a successful game in terms of getting your hard earned cash.

jackuul wrote:
Maybe Spore is not doomed though, maybe if, just if, we're loud enough, the spore we wanted, the one he envisioned, could be brought to us. In spite of bugs and such, they could be patched. Even on this build we have now, maybe it could be patched.

Not expanded. Patched. If that ever happened, that one sublime act of saying "here it is, as it was meant to be" would be the single most amazing act of integrity on an online game-based world... ever.

Then you could really call him Gaming Jesus. Or Spode.

That is the dream right? If only we say it again or in the right way they will listen and fix Spore and have it live up to its potential. It would be a miracle if this game was patched with the fix. It would be awesome, as in filling us with awe. That sence of wonder at discovery that was mentioned so frequently by the designers would be restored.

Eekwotsthat wrote:
It won't. Those people who wanted "science spore" went and brought it anyway despite the fact that it was obvious prior to release spore wasn't what they wanted/expected.

I believe a new thread pretty much destroyed this argument. The stuff prior to release WAS more complex and way better (just my opinion even though I didn't even watch the trailer, only a Discovery Channel special that mentioned how spore WOULD do edit: complex things). Unless the person isn't who he says he is or he IS but is just lying.

Edit 2: On a side note, do you guys think the makers and marketing of spore and anyone that matters looks at any of the opinions we post?

One can only hope, as this is their forum

Edit 2: On a side note, do you guys think the makers and marketing of spore and anyone that matters looks at any of the opinions we post?

They said in the Q&A that they do.

aznparker wrote:

Eekwotsthat wrote:
It won't. Those people who wanted "science spore" went and brought it anyway despite the fact that it was obvious prior to release spore wasn't what they wanted/expected.

I believe a new thread pretty much destroyed this argument. The stuff prior to release WAS more complex and way better (just my opinion even though I didn't even watch the trailer, only a Discovery Channel special that mentioned how spore WOULD do edit: complex things). Unless the person isn't who he says he is or he IS but is just lying.

Edit 2: On a side note, do you guys think the makers and marketing of spore and anyone that matters looks at any of the opinions we post?

If they do, I hope that Will is one of them. We've got Wright lineage in the family, on two sides. One side may or may not (yet to be confirmed) be related to the 'Brothers' while the other may or may not be (again, waiting for genealogy research) related to Frank Lloyd. Not really on topic, but I do hope he reads what is here, or at least skims. I know he looks at creatures, adds sporecasts, and such - but he only has two creations in his profile (does he play?)

aznparker wrote:

Eekwotsthat wrote:
It won't. Those people who wanted "science spore" went and brought it anyway despite the fact that it was obvious prior to release spore wasn't what they wanted/expected.

I believe a new thread pretty much destroyed this argument. The stuff prior to release WAS more complex and way better (just my opinion even though I didn't even watch the trailer, only a Discovery Channel special that mentioned how spore WOULD do edit: complex things). Unless the person isn't who he says he is or he IS but is just lying.

Edit 2: On a side note, do you guys think the makers and marketing of spore and anyone that matters looks at any of the opinions we post?

On a sitenote even the interview with Will Wright on the making of disk doesn't sound like he's talking about the current game.

Then on the national geographic video you see them talking about fish (not truly significant I admit) however the big part was the fact that eye quality played a part in graphical quality.

Keep your cell eyes and your vision was blurry, get better eyes and it looks gorgeous.

Just another thing that never made it into the game but made it into a video that came with the game. Puzzling. They Eye thing is in the DS game, if you have better eyes you see secret items better.

I just end up a little heart broken that the man who brought me the wonder of Sim City 2000 (It changed my perspective on the power of gaming) could have a product fall short like this.

I've heard about the eye thing.

What up wit' dat? As one of my college friends would say.

Yet another good idea that was canned.... *sigh* When is enough enough? and when did it get to be 3 am...

renlar wrote:Yet another good idea that was canned.... *sigh* When is enough enough? and when did it get to be 3 am...

About 15 minutes ago.

tormaksaber wrote:

renlar wrote:Yet another good idea that was canned.... *sigh* When is enough enough? and when did it get to be 3 am...

About 15 minutes ago.

That was pretty funny .

I've updated my siggy picture btw. For you know...the two people in here to see ;p.

I'm off to bed though! JEEBUS!

good idea... the whole "ill just look at 1 more post" gets me .... night everyone