RedLightning777 wrote:
Honestly.. rocketgirl.. I've read just about all your posts, but chose not to intervene in the heat of people trying to discourage you. I'm glad you have stuck around through it all.

I admit, there have been times when I wanted to give up, just throw my hands in the air and tell Maxis to go screw...

...but I've spent several years of my life anticipating Spore, and that just multiplies how grumpy I feel about the lies and misleads that have come out of Maxis, and the disappointment at the Cute team's successful redirect of Spore's purpose. It's just plain Not Right™, and something needs to be done.

No one else has stepped up, so I guess it's my job. Though Maxis could make it a crap-ton easier by just issuing a statement, get it the hell over with. Y'think?

Bllasae wrote:

111uminate wrote:What's with all the big boobed anime girls lately? Getting distracting!

Anime sucks anyways. I mean, really.

Couldn't agree more, but, b0obs are b0obs unfortunately. I blame my biology. Why am I .. up late talking about b0obs? I need to go to bed.

111uminate wrote:

Bllasae wrote:

111uminate wrote:What's with all the big boobed anime girls lately? Getting distracting!

Anime sucks anyways. I mean, really.

Couldn't agree more, but, b0obs are b0obs unfortunately. I blame my biology. Why am I .. up late talking about b0obs? I need to go to bed.

LOL.

I say we should all mob the Cute team and shove their misguided game up their.... I see b00bs being mentioned over and over again. Wait a sec... What was I going to say? I can't remember.... B00bs are too distracting....

RocketGirl wrote:

RedLightning777 wrote:
Honestly.. rocketgirl.. I've read just about all your posts, but chose not to intervene in the heat of people trying to discourage you. I'm glad you have stuck around through it all.

I admit, there have been times when I wanted to give up, just throw my hands in the air and tell Maxis to go screw...

...but I've spent several years of my life anticipating Spore, and that just multiplies how grumpy I feel about the lies and misleads that have come out of Maxis, and the disappointment at the Cute team's successful redirect of Spore's purpose. It's just plain Not Right™, and something needs to be done.

No one else has stepped up, so I guess it's my job. Though Maxis could make it a crap-ton easier by just issuing a statement, get it the hell over with. Y'think?

I think the 8 year wait was the real kicker for me... in my mind .. I keep repeating "8 years for this" and it just compounds my anger, let alone the fact that I was lied to and decieved into believing this product was something its not, yet WAS at different points in the last 3 years.

Either way stick it out, we pay them, whether they know it or not.. So technically they are acting like they are OUR boss when in reality that is NOT true.. last I knew .. The boss is the one that pays you (technically payroll does it, but they answer to the boss).

SmokeyPSD wrote:Come on guys, the original poster was very clear, wat's with all the ppl bitching on here who just want the decent thing, and answers for our (very called for) criticism.

The way I figure it.. there's something I do not understand. Why would people be arguing over EA's silence... To me in the business world, silence is NOT golden... specifically in this SPORE instance!

I'm beginning to think this...

Lies take time to fabricate... the truth comes in an instant.

RedLightning777 wrote:
I think the 8 year wait was the real kicker for me... in my mind .. I keep repeating "8 years for this" and it just compounds my anger, let alone the fact that I was lied to and decieved into believing this product was something its not, yet WAS at different points in the last 3 years.

I only waited about three years, but still, I feel your pain.

Either way stick it out, we pay them, whether they know it or not.. So technically they are acting like they are OUR boss when in reality that is NOT true.. last I knew .. The boss is the one that pays you (technically payroll does it, but they answer to the boss).

Yes. And I'm voting with my cash, which EA/Maxis will get none of for the foreseeable future, and I'm encouraging others to do the same. I keep trying to tell Maxis that I can be their worst enemy, but I'd rather be their greatest ally...and part of that is NOT treating me like a subordinate.
I don't think it's much to ask...a little respect, a little info once in a while, maybe admitting to mistakes when they've been made. Hell, just a go/no-go on Science Spore in the future would do the trick.

You go rocket girl ..But yeah I agree on all I skimmed thru in the many pages of the thread. I think the bottom line is EA has a hardcore history of taking any say away from the game designers in exchange for maximizing profits. I don't blame Maxis for whats wrong with Spore.

While I do love spore, it doesn't take a genius to see that EA only cares about maximum compatibility between consoles and PC games and cutting out any benefits the PC might have over a console even for a trumpeted pc game like Spore. Had this game come out 10 years ago you would no doubt see proportionally better graphics at high detail, more time spent adding depth to the early stages, and an immediate addressing of most the problems people are having. But in this militaristic capitalism where living in today, I don't think anything short of a court order will do any good.

Maybe the PC games industry needs a public entity to represent it. So they can charge the extra $10 on top of the price of a game title and maybe then we can get some exclusivity.

mcbMaestro wrote:You go rocket girl ..But yeah I agree on all I skimmed thru in the many pages of the thread. I think the bottom line is EA has a hardcore history of taking any say away from the game designers in exchange for maximizing profits. I don't blame Maxis for whats wrong with Spore.

Unfortunately, all available evidence say that it was a kind of internal coup at Maxis that changed the game.

According to an article I'd read a while back, EA had actually given Will Wright the instructions, to "just get it right," essentially giving WW carte blanche and his full head of steam to make sure Spore was the best it could possibly be. Yet, alas, according to all reports, there was an internal revolution, led by the now much-hated Chris Hecker, which turned Spore from a game about science to a game about making pretty things.

So, in fact, it was not EA, but Maxis itself which destroyed Spore.

RocketGirl wrote:

mcbMaestro wrote:You go rocket girl ..But yeah I agree on all I skimmed thru in the many pages of the thread. I think the bottom line is EA has a hardcore history of taking any say away from the game designers in exchange for maximizing profits. I don't blame Maxis for whats wrong with Spore.

Unfortunately, all available evidence say that it was a kind of internal coup at Maxis that changed the game.

According to an article I'd read a while back, EA had actually given Will Wright the instructions, to "just get it right," essentially giving WW carte blanche and his full head of steam to make sure Spore was the best it could possibly be. Yet, alas, according to all reports, there was an internal revolution, led by the now much-hated Chris Hecker, which turned Spore from a game about science to a game about making pretty things.

So, in fact, it was not EA, but Maxis itself which destroyed Spore.

Can you link these articles please??? I'd like to take a look.

Thanks.

NASAROG wrote:
Can you link these articles please??? I'd like to take a look.

Thanks.

Ugh...they've already been linked multiple times across the board; it'd be little more than spam to re-post them every time someone new to the discussion asks.

...*psigh* But maybe I'll look 'em up and save the URLs to a text fil so I can just copy-paste each time.

Maybe.

Well, hope Will Wright is happy that his company has had it's reputation completely destroyed. A reputation that he himself single-handedly earned and then just gave it away.

I hope this Chris Hecker understands what he did. He should be fired immediately for BEING A TOTAL AND COMPLETE NINCOMPOOP who DOESNT UNDERSTAND A THING ABOUT GAME DEVELOPMENT.

Will Wright - this is your fault. You failed to control your development team and have your vision created. Instead, all we got was a sham. And Sim City was my first videogame ever, I played it as a 8 year old. No more are you in the pantheon of great game developers. Get out of that seat next to Sid Meier, you Will Wright are no longer deserving to be there.

I'm sure you're a lot more informed on this then I am Rocket Girl so I take your word for it. I am kinda suprised Maxis would let one guy other then Will Wright alter the game this drastically. Maybe Will needs to find a fresh company to work with if this is the case.

mcbMaestro wrote:I am kinda suprised Maxis would let one guy other then Will Wright alter the game this drastically. Maybe Will needs to find a fresh company to work with if this is the case.

You know...I haven't given it a LOT of thought, but that inkling has crossed my mind one or twice.

Of course, I'm one for revolutions rather than restarts, so I was usually thinking about how WW could take back Maxis, but starting fresh might not be a horrible way to go.

I found I could play spore and have fun. Only, it doesn't require a computer. Thanks Maxis - I have begun drawing on paper again.

On paper I can evolve my creature however I darn well please, and it doesn't auto upload. I can also use my imagination about the worlds they see, the planets they bomb, and the destruction of the galaxy - even if it is poorly drawn.

At this point drawing stick figure creatures is a lot more satisfying.