Pugnap00 wrote:

halbwolf wrote:

ghadis wrote:"I think it's time we got together and started a Class Action Lawsuit."

I think that's a great idea. I'm sick of deceptive marketing practices in the software industry. We need a nationwide system like California has, where it's the law that you can return software.

IF you go to the movies, and you didn't enjoy it, would you sue the cinema and/or the studio?
If you bought a CD you didn't like, would you sue the band or the record label?
If you bought a book, which you thought boring, would you sue the author or publisher?

How is a computer game any different?

I mean, I am sorry you think the game sucks... but since it seems pleasant enough to (in my experience) most buyers, I don't see any possibility to "sue" or "Class Action" them...

If "I didn't enjoy a game" or "based on a Tech Demo from 3 years ago, I imagined the game would be diffrent" ever becomes reason enough to sue the manufacturer, I forsee a rapid end to the entertainment industry....

This'll end up in stuff like "I saw a teaser to an upcoming movie, which I realy loved. Then I was bored by the actual movie. Let's sue the studio and force them to refund me the ticket or make the movie I hoped they would make based on the teaser"... and no studio would ever put out anything anymore, since they WILL get sued by some one who expected something different...

i agree with you

Agree x 2

Suing? come on...

I mean I understand that you're probably an American who watches too much Judge Judy, but seriously...suing over a game that disappointed you? Grow up.

cloggin the legal system that all this does

go read a SPORE book or something

Elbrad wrote:

Pugnap00 wrote:

halbwolf wrote:

ghadis wrote:"I think it's time we got together and started a Class Action Lawsuit."

I think that's a great idea. I'm sick of deceptive marketing practices in the software industry. We need a nationwide system like California has, where it's the law that you can return software.

IF you go to the movies, and you didn't enjoy it, would you sue the cinema and/or the studio?
If you bought a CD you didn't like, would you sue the band or the record label?
If you bought a book, which you thought boring, would you sue the author or publisher?

How is a computer game any different?

I mean, I am sorry you think the game sucks... but since it seems pleasant enough to (in my experience) most buyers, I don't see any possibility to "sue" or "Class Action" them...

If "I didn't enjoy a game" or "based on a Tech Demo from 3 years ago, I imagined the game would be diffrent" ever becomes reason enough to sue the manufacturer, I forsee a rapid end to the entertainment industry....

This'll end up in stuff like "I saw a teaser to an upcoming movie, which I realy loved. Then I was bored by the actual movie. Let's sue the studio and force them to refund me the ticket or make the movie I hoped they would make based on the teaser"... and no studio would ever put out anything anymore, since they WILL get sued by some one who expected something different...

i agree with you

Agree x 2

Suing? come on...

I mean I understand that you're probably an American who watches too much Judge Judy, but seriously...suing over a game that disappointed you? Grow up.

Us Americans will sue over anything. seriously its sad.

Pugnap00 wrote:

Elbrad wrote:

Pugnap00 wrote:

halbwolf wrote:

ghadis wrote:"I think it's time we got together and started a Class Action Lawsuit."

I think that's a great idea. I'm sick of deceptive marketing practices in the software industry. We need a nationwide system like California has, where it's the law that you can return software.

IF you go to the movies, and you didn't enjoy it, would you sue the cinema and/or the studio?
If you bought a CD you didn't like, would you sue the band or the record label?
If you bought a book, which you thought boring, would you sue the author or publisher?

How is a computer game any different?

I mean, I am sorry you think the game sucks... but since it seems pleasant enough to (in my experience) most buyers, I don't see any possibility to "sue" or "Class Action" them...

If "I didn't enjoy a game" or "based on a Tech Demo from 3 years ago, I imagined the game would be diffrent" ever becomes reason enough to sue the manufacturer, I forsee a rapid end to the entertainment industry....

This'll end up in stuff like "I saw a teaser to an upcoming movie, which I realy loved. Then I was bored by the actual movie. Let's sue the studio and force them to refund me the ticket or make the movie I hoped they would make based on the teaser"... and no studio would ever put out anything anymore, since they WILL get sued by some one who expected something different...

i agree with you

Agree x 2

Suing? come on...

I mean I understand that you're probably an American who watches too much Judge Judy, but seriously...suing over a game that disappointed you? Grow up.

Us Americans will sue over anything. seriously its sad.

And sadly sir, we Canadians are following suit (pun fully intended). It's not quite as bad as it is down there (spent 2 years in LA, New York, and Miami), but people are looking for the free ride up here as well.

man theres this disabled man who makes a living off suing people who are not ADA compliant. He is actually putting a friends of mines parents out of business.

and im serious when i say "Makes a living"

becuase that what his company does. He just goes around find reasons to sue people.

I hate him

I really personally don't see what's SOOO wrong with this game?
It's not like we were promised the game to end all other games.
We got what we spent our money on.
This game has revolutionized how we look at games of this potential.
What Will Wright has done is what others had only dreamed of.
You who say your bored after 150+ hours are insane.
Many games won't get you NEAR that much fun time
i just don't get it

auburntiger wrote:I really personally don't see what's SOOO wrong with this game?
It's not like we were promised the game to end all other games.
We got what we spent our money on.
This game has revolutionized how we look at games of this potential.
What Will Wright has done is what others had only dreamed of.
You who say your bored after 150+ hours are insane.
Many games won't get you NEAR that much fun time
i just don't get it

lol there is nothing wrong with the game. People are disapointed becuase they wanted something different for some reason. (lame tech demo)

Pugnap00 wrote:

auburntiger wrote:I really personally don't see what's SOOO wrong with this game?
It's not like we were promised the game to end all other games.
We got what we spent our money on.
This game has revolutionized how we look at games of this potential.
What Will Wright has done is what others had only dreamed of.
You who say your bored after 150+ hours are insane.
Many games won't get you NEAR that much fun time
i just don't get it

lol there is nothing wrong with the game. People are disapointed becuase they wanted something different for some reason. (lame tech demo)

Or they don't like the EADM or the DRM that came with it...

Or they find the game too frustrating because of the number of bugs and glitches, of which I've run into some of the more common ones now...

Or they just can't channel their anger somewhere else. For example, when I realized that I am suffering from a patch-related bug that doesn't allow me to take the social path in Tribal, I just loaded my Zealot Space game and blew up a neighboring planet to clam myself down and remind me why I like to play the game.

Too bad I can't blow up the Wildlife Sanctuary I found from a deleted game when I found that star system, but at least I got to blow up that deleted game's home planet. And as far as I'm concerned, that pretty much means the game is officially deleted. Whatever the computer wants to do with the colonies from that game is fair game as far as I'm concerned.

Spore 2005 : Spore 2008 :: Simcity 4 : Simcity Societies

As much as I don't like the direction they've taken this game and indeed all their games, it was MY decision to buy the game and I made it carefully. There is no one else to blame, and any literate person should have known that they were gonna stick with their profit-centric expansion-based model. This is EA after all, where have you been in a cave? Ever heard of Madden, Need for Speed, do I have to list every EA game? Every gamer should be aware of EA's money making strategy by now, and it was a risk I was willing to take.

That said, I will have to make the same careful decision about the expansion pack, only now with more data about what I can realistically expect. It will be a hard choice, because more and more I realize I hate the dumbing down of games. It is punishing the long-time faithful and hard-core gamers who have created this industry, in order to please "casuals". I think Maxis needs to remember the famous saying that when you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one.

What they should have done was make a proper Simcity 5. If they want to make it simpler do some work to simplify the interface and have the difficulty slider control how much micromanaging you have to do. They should have done the same thing with Spore so that the tribal and civ (and to a lesser extent space) stages were actually interesting. Or made it so that you could tie the city stage of a spore game to a SimCity game. That would have mitigated somewhat the travesty of the tribal and civ stages being too short, too simple, and basically cinematic cutscenes before the meat of the game - the space stage.

tl;dr summary: We all knew Maxis would start selling $30 expansions as soon as possible. Make your own choice about it and don't blame anyone else for that choice.

I love how people are saying Spore is "punishing" the hardcore gamers when Will said from the very beginning at his 2005 GDC demo that it wasn't meant for hardcore gamers to begin with. Makes me wonder what hardcore gamers think about the Wii and how Senior Citizens are finally able to enjoy staying in those God-forsaken homes now they have something to do that isn't watching a soap opera they could care less about.

Actually i find Spore to be a nice game to break open the entire idea of 'hardcore' gaming.

Whats not hardcore about spending 5 hours on that perfect creature??

parvati wrote:Actually i find Spore to be a nice game to break open the entire idea of 'hardcore' gaming.

Whats not hardcore about spending 5 hours on that perfect creature??

amen brother

zeekslider wrote:I love how people are saying Spore is "punishing" the hardcore gamers when Will said from the very beginning at his 2005 GDC demo that it wasn't meant for hardcore gamers to begin with. Makes me wonder what hardcore gamers think about the Wii and how Senior Citizens are finally able to enjoy staying in those God-forsaken homes now they have something to do that isn't watching a soap opera they could care less about.

i knew from the name spore owuldnt be a hardcore gamers game. I like it.

If i want some hardcore action ill just pop in my gears of war disk and fight aliens. If i want to be an alien ill play spore.

parvati wrote:Actually i find Spore to be a nice game to break open the entire idea of 'hardcore' gaming.

Whats not hardcore about spending 5 hours on that perfect creature??

But that is precisely the contradiction of Spore. The type of person who is going to get much out of Spore is the kind that is willing to put in that kind of investment. In which case he's not playing "casually." But the game then gives you very little of any lasting substance to do with those things you've lovingly crafted.

The people that Spore is actually most suited for are therefore the ones that experience the highest degree of dissatisfaction and purposelessness with the game, because there is simply a real lack of engaging gameplay uses to put your creations to.

The expansions-heavy model of game design being pursued here requires a long-term, loyal fan base, not just a bunch of "casual" people who will be temporarily titillated by the shiny appearances of Spore and then will move on.

I think they are going to have to face the results of the contradictions in their approach to this game. Much more substance will be required to sustain this game over the long haul.

Spore has the potential to appeal to casual gamers and "hardcore" gamers alike, in that it should have a vast range of optional gameplay elements to keep the interested player involved, long-term, in playing with their continuing galaxy--while at the same time being accessible to the more casual player who can just breeze through it, only skimming the surface. There's nothing wrong with that last approach, but it is absolutely essential that they develop the game further, to actually give you that sandbox we keep hearing about. Right now it's more like a pile of sand grains we're forced to count, repetitively, until exhaustion.

spongb6f1 wrote:

parvati wrote:Actually i find Spore to be a nice game to break open the entire idea of 'hardcore' gaming.

Whats not hardcore about spending 5 hours on that perfect creature??

But that is precisely the contradiction of Spore. The type of person who is going to get much out of Spore is the kind that is willing to put in that kind of investment. In which case he's not playing "casually." But the game then gives you very little of any lasting substance to do with those things you've lovingly crafted.

The people that Spore is actually most suited for are therefore the ones that experience the highest degree of dissatisfaction and purposelessness with the game, because there is simply a real lack of engaging gameplay uses to put your creations to.

The expansions-heavy model of game design being pursued here requires a long-term, loyal fan base, not just a bunch of "casual" people who will be temporarily titillated by the shiny appearances of Spore and then will move on.

I think they are going to have to face the results of the contradictions in their approach to this game. Much more substance will be required to sustain this game over the long haul.

You make some valid points.
I must think about this for a while.
I have a good answer but lack some words.