We Found Who to Tar and Feather!

Grogyan wrote:Well now they have the chance to make an expansion for us.

Science Spore: The Big Fix

I bought the game for one reason and one reason only, and found that the one feature I was going to use was taken out, dynamic proceedual gaits

And would have been a perfect simulator for designing robots

IF they don't fire Chris and fix the game back to what its suppose to be, then it will be curtains for EA and Maxis

And what if I told you, again, that Will Wright had the final say in all matters? Still going to continue to blame a scapegoat?

I blame them ALL!

No one escapes my wrath!!!

Except everyone who runs away...too lazy to catch them...

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Jackuul wrote:

Grogyan wrote:Well now they have the chance to make an expansion for us.

Science Spore: The Big Fix

I bought the game for one reason and one reason only, and found that the one feature I was going to use was taken out, dynamic proceedual gaits

And would have been a perfect simulator for designing robots

IF they don't fire Chris and fix the game back to what its suppose to be, then it will be curtains for EA and Maxis

And what if I told you, again, that Will Wright had the final say in all matters? Still going to continue to blame a scapegoat?

Maybe I should blame Will for letting a minor destroy what could have been a great game.
Its like "I don't have much experience in the game market but I know that players don't want realism in the games they play"
if I had said that in front of Will, he'd show me the front door. So how come one person undermined this entire project?

Thanks for the great post now I know who's fault it was that spore changed from great to boring. Will Wright always has brilliant ideas but he needs to stand up for himself and do it his way.

Are you people nuts? Do you not understand what MaxisLucy said? Reread it.

Chris Hecker contributed to the team, and in the end it was Wright's vision and game. It was his decision in the end, and that's the way the cake crumbles.

Don't dilute yourselves into thinking one man is responsible for bugs, cuteness, the faked moon landing, and Jimmy Hoffa.

MaxisLucy wrote:Hi all. I wanted to weigh in on this thread. I appreciate the comments and the open discussion about the game, the look and everyone’s expectations. I think that this type of dialog is a healthy exchange of ideas. We get a lot out of it and I’m not interested in shutting that down. However, I do think that the aspersions toward any individual member of the Spore team are unwarranted and are getting out of hand here. The concept of Spore that Will presented at GDC 2005 was the guidepost for the development and execution of the game. Will very much remained the visionary and design leader throughout the development of Spore. He worked collaboratively with the team when opinions differed but decisions were definitely in his domain.

The cute vs. science debate within the team had more to do with the concept of accessibility, character and aesthetic than it had to do with the underlying gameplay. Some of this was driven by the simple reality of a very unique and rather cutting edge approach to animation. Procedural animation is just one of the incredible contributions that Chris Hecker made to this game. It was a huge area of focused work and learning for us as the animation engineering team developed this system. One thing that we learned is that setting an expectation of very realistic looking animations that, for instance, captured the discrete differences of movement of a cat vs. the movement of a dog would be off target. Moving away from an aesthetic that set such expectations was a well considered decision on our part. I’m personally amazed at what the animation team was able to achieve. Will set a goal for the team that we be able to hit a mark, in terms of creative breadth, that reached from Pixar to Geiger. The aesthetic, physical and placement constraint decisions that we made regarding the Creature Creator were held to our tenets of unconstrained creativity and accessibility for the creators.

Chris contributed so much in the way of innovations for Spore and deserves to be recognized for his work. While we have no interest in stifling conversation on the Sporum about Spore from anyone, I request that people show respect for others and refrain from outright defamation and threats.

Thanks,

Lucy

Hi Lucy, hopefully you are still watching this thread, because I have a question for you that I think everyone wants answered:
Is there any discussion going on there to add more of the "realistic" features into the game as a potential future expansion?
(For clarification, by the realistic features I refer to a mode that makes creature design for the spine and parts have an effect on gameplay, among many other things that have been mentioned when referring to the 2005 demonstration)

This is, of course, not asking you to verify something is currently being worked on or reveal anything unannounced, I just want to know if these ideas are even being discussed as a possibility, or if the team has decided to just move on to other things.

P.S. I understand the reasoning for why the game was released as it was, to draw more people in, and I maintain hope that eventually Spore is going to be filled out by just about everything we can imagine.

@All of you agreeing with Lucy about how Will had the last word.

You're all blind and ignorant. Will did not have the last word, EA did. And in a world run by capitalism and an economic philosophy that is a contradiction of itself ("In an economy dependent on consumers, he who screws them over gets rich") I wouldn't be surprised that they (EA) told Will to go shove his awesome game where the sun don't shine and decide themselves to put this crap out.

So if there really is someone to blame it's EA as a whole because, seriously, they are the only one's that have the final word, they are the only ones who decide what goes on the market or not, and only they have the power to possibly have shunned Will's ideas.

Still, I keep hoping the game will evolve through quality expansions (not parts packs) to what Will wanted it to be. Even if it's a capitalist trick to get more money off of us I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable price for good expansions if at the end I am gonna be able to play the game that was promised.

SykoTavo wrote:@All of you agreeing with Lucy about how Will had the last word.

You're all blind and ignorant. Will did not have the last word, EA did. And in a world run by capitalism and an economic philosophy that is a contradiction of itself ("In an economy dependent on consumers, he who screws them over gets rich") I wouldn't be surprised that they (EA) told Will to go shove his awesome game where the sun don't shine and decide themselves to put this crap out.

So if there really is someone to blame it's EA as a whole because, seriously, they are the only one's that have the final word, they are the only ones who decide what goes on the market or not, and only they have the power to possibly have shunned Will's ideas.

Still, I keep hoping the game will evolve through quality expansions (not parts packs) to what Will wanted it to be. Even if it's a capitalist trick to get more money off of us I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable price for good expansions if at the end I am gonna be able to play the game that was promised.

So other than supposition where do you get this information from ?

All I have to say is "Thank GOD he didn't manage to get the sneakers."

Eekwotsthat wrote:

SykoTavo wrote:@All of you agreeing with Lucy about how Will had the last word.

You're all blind and ignorant. Will did not have the last word, EA did. And in a world run by capitalism and an economic philosophy that is a contradiction of itself ("In an economy dependent on consumers, he who screws them over gets rich") I wouldn't be surprised that they (EA) told Will to go shove his awesome game where the sun don't shine and decide themselves to put this crap out.

So if there really is someone to blame it's EA as a whole because, seriously, they are the only one's that have the final word, they are the only ones who decide what goes on the market or not, and only they have the power to possibly have shunned Will's ideas.

Still, I keep hoping the game will evolve through quality expansions (not parts packs) to what Will wanted it to be. Even if it's a capitalist trick to get more money off of us I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable price for good expansions if at the end I am gonna be able to play the game that was promised.

So other than supposition where do you get this information from ?

His A double S?

From what I understand, EA was the publisher - nothing more, nothing less.

Jackuul wrote:From what I understand, EA was the publisher - nothing more, nothing less.

Publishers do have say, because they are in it for the money. If they looked at the game and said "That won't sell because it's too complicated for your casual gamer who can't open a jar of pickles, dumb it down or we'll never release the game", you sure to bet the game will get dumbed down.

And yes, I agree more that EA is the one who is probably more to blame in this dumbed down product.

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Eekwotsthat wrote:

SykoTavo wrote:@All of you agreeing with Lucy about how Will had the last word.

You're all blind and ignorant. Will did not have the last word, EA did. And in a world run by capitalism and an economic philosophy that is a contradiction of itself ("In an economy dependent on consumers, he who screws them over gets rich") I wouldn't be surprised that they (EA) told Will to go shove his awesome game where the sun don't shine and decide themselves to put this crap out.

So if there really is someone to blame it's EA as a whole because, seriously, they are the only one's that have the final word, they are the only ones who decide what goes on the market or not, and only they have the power to possibly have shunned Will's ideas.

Still, I keep hoping the game will evolve through quality expansions (not parts packs) to what Will wanted it to be. Even if it's a capitalist trick to get more money off of us I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable price for good expansions if at the end I am gonna be able to play the game that was promised.

So other than supposition where do you get this information from ?

Jackuul wrote:

Eekwotsthat wrote:

SykoTavo wrote:@All of you agreeing with Lucy about how Will had the last word.

You're all blind and ignorant. Will did not have the last word, EA did. And in a world run by capitalism and an economic philosophy that is a contradiction of itself ("In an economy dependent on consumers, he who screws them over gets rich") I wouldn't be surprised that they (EA) told Will to go shove his awesome game where the sun don't shine and decide themselves to put this crap out.

So if there really is someone to blame it's EA as a whole because, seriously, they are the only one's that have the final word, they are the only ones who decide what goes on the market or not, and only they have the power to possibly have shunned Will's ideas.

Still, I keep hoping the game will evolve through quality expansions (not parts packs) to what Will wanted it to be. Even if it's a capitalist trick to get more money off of us I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable price for good expansions if at the end I am gonna be able to play the game that was promised.

So other than supposition where do you get this information from ?

His A double S?

From what I understand, EA was the publisher - nothing more, nothing less.

Exactly...keep going...

Esch_ wrote:

Jackuul wrote:From what I understand, EA was the publisher - nothing more, nothing less.

Publishers do have say, because they are in it for the money. If they looked at the game and said "That won't sell because it's too complicated for your casual gamer who can't open a jar of pickles, dumb it down or we'll never release the game", you sure to bet the game will get dumbed down.

And yes, I agree more that EA is the one who is probably more to blame in this dumbed down product.

Thank you.

Well, this explains a lot. I have to admit that, even though this is still a great game, it certainly didn't meet many of the expectations I'd been led to have by the earlier demos, videos, and even by the bonus DVDs that came with the Galactic Edition (the NatGeo Evolution one in particular). The NG one really shows that Wil Wright has a great interest in science and wanted to explore that with Spore... whereas the game feels like it falls short in this regard.

Personally, I would love to see the game tweaked to become more realistic; even if that meant through subsequent expansion packs. While still great, Spore just isn't quite the game I thought it would be.

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I got the idea somehow it was going to be a mmorpg were you could go conquer a friends empire and they would have to restart. Anyone have any idea how i got that idea.

I think the space stage could have been really cool. I wish it were more like Eve. I think instead of civilization stage i would rather play CNC3. I wish everything had more complexity in it. I liked Sim CIty, but when i heard about sim city societies i dont care about the series. I dont think this should just be a blame thing. I am a fan of more depth so i am dissapointed that it could of had more. The problem is that it tries to cover so much. It cant be great at everything. It is a good game because it has alot but it isnt great in any particular thing. Because the game is cute it sells well to children because it is soo simple. But the problem with selling to children is that they dont keep their interest in anything for vary long. They kids have more time to play it so more kids will want it. For older people they will stay interested in something, even if they dont like it (sometimes). Maxis is fond of making expansion packs so they need people to keep interest in their product. Older people dont like the cute as much as more in depth science-y stuff. If they want to keep coming out with expansion packs, like the sims, for a game like this, it needed to be more complex before. It will probably cost a lot of mony for Maxis to fix the game with expansion packs, maybe it wont, i dont know. People ask and ask but it is so hard. I think They should higher other teams to focus on making the individual expansion packs to add complexity and draw back the attention. My idea is- higher someone like the creators of Eve or something to create a space expansion pack. Higher someone like the creators of command and conquer to make an expansion pack for civilization stage. Thats my plan, i rather have that then new parts for my creatures and im sure a lot of people would agree. If this happens we can all forget about Chris because we will be having fun playing spore.
Does anyone agree?

to think the game was going to be more fun than it is now is incredible, I'm sad to hear that they dumbed down the game the way they did, I hope they come out with an expansion pack the way you guys are saying...