meisterlupin wrote:Here's where my experience and age comes in , those of you complaining about expansions? WHY? (ask yourself) if you are indeed agreeing that the core game needs improving, expansions is how that happens , if you think for $50 you deserved a mega game with all the content they imagined for SPore , then you're fooling yourself. Some great games in the past were ruined by lack of support from the developer *cough LucasArts* Cough* Battlefront 2* , Spore is barely 2 weeks old and already has had a tweak patch adding enhanced gameplay and graphics (not just a mainteneance patch) , shows EA cares about this product . Im all for E A games making some paper on this game (just keep those expansion packs to $20 or under , thank you) .

Why should we have to pay to fix a broken game?

Spore is like buying a car with no engine, it looks pretty but doesn't do anything. If you actually want to drive the car you buy the engine in a expansion pack.

In every other game you get a fully driveable car out of the box. And when you get an expansion pack, you get stuff like a v8 engine, spoilers or maybe some chrome wheels. It's all stuff that's not necessary for the original car to work, but improves upon the original experience.

meisterlupin wrote:Here's where my experience and age comes in , those of you complaining about expansions? WHY? (ask yourself) if you are indeed agreeing that the core game needs improving, expansions is how that happens , if you think for $50 you deserved a mega game with all the content they imagined for SPore , then you're fooling yourself. Some great games in the past were ruined by lack of support from the developer *cough LucasArts* Cough* Battlefront 2* , Spore is barely 2 weeks old and already has had a tweak patch adding enhanced gameplay and graphics (not just a mainteneance patch) , shows EA cares about this product . Im all for E A games making some paper on this game (just keep those expansion packs to $20 or under , thank you) .

Why should we have to pay to fix a broken game?

Spore is like buying a car with no engine, it looks pretty but doesn't do anything. If you actually want to drive the car you buy the engine in a expansion pack.

In every other game you get a fully driveable car out of the box. And when you get an expansion pack, you get stuff like a v8 engine, spoilers or maybe some chrome wheels. It's all stuff that's not necessary for the original car to work, but improves upon the original experience.

That's IT! I can't take this anymore.

All these friggin GLITCHES that were INTRODUCED by this patch made this game UNPLAYEABLE. I just watched as the counter on a timed Mission counted to nothing, extincted one creature, and then infected a second one. Now I have 2 colonies under attack by pirates which I can't get to, and another ally having the same problem. And guess what, I CAN"T SEE THE SPORE CREATURES to eradicate the INFECTED ONES. 5 MINUTES have gone by and the problem didn't correct itself. NOW this company is talking about fixing the errors and glitches ONLY with an expansion pack. I think it's time we got together and started a Class Action Lawsuit. We already PAID for the licenses on this software, and now EA and Maxis want us to PAY again. This is bullshit.

I will be filing a complaint on this matter with the BBB first thing in the morning. I will never buy a single product from this company again, and I will be telling every person I know about this along with a few media friends of mine. I've had it.

BrigandPhantos wrote:That's IT! I can't take this anymore.

All these friggin GLITCHES that were INTRODUCED by this patch made this game UNPLAYEABLE. I just watched as the counter on a timed Mission counted to nothing, extincted one creature, and then infected a second one. Now I have 2 colonies under attack by pirates which I can't get to, and another ally having the same problem. And guess what, I CAN"T SEE THE SPORE CREATURES to eradicate the INFECTED ONES. 5 MINUTES have gone by and the problem didn't correct itself. NOW this company is talking about fixing the errors and glitches ONLY with an expansion pack. I think it's time we got together and started a Class Action Lawsuit. We already PAID for the licenses on this software, and now EA and Maxis want us to PAY again. This is bullshit.

I will be filing a complaint on this matter with the BBB first thing in the morning. I will never buy a single product from this company again, and I will be telling every person I know about this along with a few media friends of mine. I've had it.

You ever tried uninstalling and reinstalling? Meh...sorry...I give all the complicated fixes.

Although a bit of a rebate would be nice .

And another thing, we OWN the rights to the licenses we bought. DRM or not, you've grown to big for yourself Maxis / Electronic Arts. It's time the people reminded you that it's US you serve, not the other way around!!!!

drlazy wrote:

meisterlupin wrote:Here's where my experience and age comes in , those of you complaining about expansions? WHY? (ask yourself) if you are indeed agreeing that the core game needs improving, expansions is how that happens , if you think for $50 you deserved a mega game with all the content they imagined for SPore , then you're fooling yourself. Some great games in the past were ruined by lack of support from the developer *cough LucasArts* Cough* Battlefront 2* , Spore is barely 2 weeks old and already has had a tweak patch adding enhanced gameplay and graphics (not just a mainteneance patch) , shows EA cares about this product . Im all for E A games making some paper on this game (just keep those expansion packs to $20 or under , thank you) .

Tell you what, let me scratch your disk, make it completely unreadable, then infect your game with a virus forcing you to wipe it clean. Or better yet, roll back time and make the disk you bought blank. Then tell you after you spent $50 which might have been better spent on GASOLINE and tell you, OH, so SORRY, you want the program itself? I working copy? That'll cost you $29.99 as well extra.

I don't know about this with anyone else, but $80, $50, or even $29.99 might get me to class a few times. And in a time with everybody and company trying to screw us all, it's time to stand up against them and throw their garbage back at them.

cthulhoo wrote:150 hours, what more did you really expect for your money? Compared to most games, such as Half Life 2 or Bioshock you certainlly got alot of playtime out of Spore don't you think?

I'd say, compared to most games, like the Civilization series or anything made by Sid Meier, or any of Will Wright's previous Sim-titles, 150 hours is nothing. 150 hours may be a lot for a first-person shooter, but for nearly every other genre it's not very much.

Wow, Spore really does have some rabid fanboys! I guess that comes from so many players not being long time gamers. Anywho, in addition to hard core FPSs and turn based strategy games, I was a big fan of The Sims (and TS2). I can't help but feel being disappointed by Spore. The editors are amazing, but everything else is kinda' meh. Especially compared to the descriptions of how the game would be.

I don't understand how you can make up a story with Spore. It just seems like a very linear (herbivore pretty much equal carnivore) game. I had lots of fun making up stories to go along with all the crazy stuff that happened in TS2. But here, everything feels the same. It is fun, but only so much.

As much as I loved TS2, I have never bought an expansion. Paying $20 or more for an expansion is insane!! If you want to pay $250 for the full game, that's nice, but it is highway robbery for most people.

Why can't Maxis/EA be like VALVE! Someone actually complained about HL2? Without expansions, I've easily gotten a LOT more fun out of the Orange Box, which included HL2 for $50. Valve supports these titles FOR FREE! It is amazing how much content they have added to Team Fortress 2, and TF2 was a FULL GAME when it was released. Oh, and please see Valve for DRM that isn't horrific (Steam).

SPORE doesn't get a pass since it took so long to get to this state. They need to make some major improvements for free before doing expansions.

"I think it's time we got together and started a Class Action Lawsuit."

I think that's a great idea. I'm sick of deceptive marketing practices in the software industry. We need a nationwide system like California has, where it's the law that you can return software.

Well, don't know about the rest of you, but I am pretty satisfied by the Spore I got...

Of course I wished for more, of course I hoped it would have a "living ecosystem", emerging complexity. more depth and all the stuff that you feel is missing (minus aquatic stage, wasn't realy interested in that).

But the core features that got ME hooked back in 2005 are still there: making (almost) any creatures I want, sharing them with everyone else and being able to interact with them. (I'd love to have more possibilities, but hey, they'll come in an expansion).

and I do think I got my moneys worth out of the game. Basically, I paid the same 80 CHF for Half Life as I spent for Spore... and I got bored by it in about 20 min....

I paid about the same amount for COD 4 and I was literally trough with the game after 10 hours or so... game finished, done all missions, seen everything.... no replayability.

The same goes (speaking for ME and only for ME) for all FPS....... after I did the first couple of missions, I just got bored....

I have played Spore for more then 50 hours by now, and still find it entertaining.... OK, I mostly look at stuff the other players made and fiddling with the editors and stuff, not trying to "win" the game in any way.... probably this'll be over in a few days, and I'll go back to something else... or buy something new.

Of course there are games like the Sims 2, Civ or Europa Universalis which I spent countless (literally, don't know how much, but probably several weeks actual playtime) which I got more out of.

In a nutshell:

With an avarage FPS I'll pay about 20-50 CHF per hour of "fun" or about 5-10 CHF per hour of actual game time.

With Sims, Civ or EU, even counting all expansions and stuff I did buy, I pay about 1 ct or less per hour of entertainment.

Spore is somewhere in the middle, with about 1 CHF per hour of "fun" and since I will fiddle some more with the editors and stuff at some future date, about 50 ct per hour actual game time.

So, I'd consider the 80 CHF money well spent.

If an expansion comes out, at the usual 35 to 45 CHF, I'll buy it too. And if it keeps me entertained for a week end, and lets me do some more stuff with my already existing creatures, the money will also be well spent.....


BTW: A question for those who go on about Valve, and their free maps....

you DID notice there are already more maps (planets) included in Spore as is then valve ever added at a later date?

You do notice that more free creatures (comparable to "skins") are shared per day than you got from Valve in all the time since release?

You do notice that the game play of an FPS basically consists in running around and killing things? In Spore you at least have two choices (which mostly play the same), and the game play does change once in a wile.

Why are some people getting a "patch" and "Expansion" mixed up?

Some people have been saying "Oh well im not paying to fix a broken game. The games broke im not paying to fix it"

What? You dont have to pay for patches those are free. Patches are ment to patch the game, AKA fix it. ANd please dont tell me "Well the last patch broke my game" i know about that, and thats not part of my point.

What you will be paying for are the "expansions" whcih "expand" the gameplay. They are not ment for fixing the game.


please get it right

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ghadis wrote:"I think it's time we got together and started a Class Action Lawsuit."

I think that's a great idea. I'm sick of deceptive marketing practices in the software industry. We need a nationwide system like California has, where it's the law that you can return software.

IF you go to the movies, and you didn't enjoy it, would you sue the cinema and/or the studio?
If you bought a CD you didn't like, would you sue the band or the record label?
If you bought a book, which you thought boring, would you sue the author or publisher?

How is a computer game any different?

I mean, I am sorry you think the game sucks... but since it seems pleasant enough to (in my experience) most buyers, I don't see any possibility to "sue" or "Class Action" them...

If "I didn't enjoy a game" or "based on a Tech Demo from 3 years ago, I imagined the game would be diffrent" ever becomes reason enough to sue the manufacturer, I forsee a rapid end to the entertainment industry....

This'll end up in stuff like "I saw a teaser to an upcoming movie, which I realy loved. Then I was bored by the actual movie. Let's sue the studio and force them to refund me the ticket or make the movie I hoped they would make based on the teaser"... and no studio would ever put out anything anymore, since they WILL get sued by some one who expected something different...

a law suit would not go anywhere. thats disgusting. How dare you even think of that you greedy scum.

halbwolf wrote:

ghadis wrote:"I think it's time we got together and started a Class Action Lawsuit."

I think that's a great idea. I'm sick of deceptive marketing practices in the software industry. We need a nationwide system like California has, where it's the law that you can return software.

IF you go to the movies, and you didn't enjoy it, would you sue the cinema and/or the studio?
If you bought a CD you didn't like, would you sue the band or the record label?
If you bought a book, which you thought boring, would you sue the author or publisher?

How is a computer game any different?

I mean, I am sorry you think the game sucks... but since it seems pleasant enough to (in my experience) most buyers, I don't see any possibility to "sue" or "Class Action" them...

If "I didn't enjoy a game" or "based on a Tech Demo from 3 years ago, I imagined the game would be diffrent" ever becomes reason enough to sue the manufacturer, I forsee a rapid end to the entertainment industry....

This'll end up in stuff like "I saw a teaser to an upcoming movie, which I realy loved. Then I was bored by the actual movie. Let's sue the studio and force them to refund me the ticket or make the movie I hoped they would make based on the teaser"... and no studio would ever put out anything anymore, since they WILL get sued by some one who expected something different...

i agree with you

halbwolf wrote:

ghadis wrote:"I think it's time we got together and started a Class Action Lawsuit."

I think that's a great idea. I'm sick of deceptive marketing practices in the software industry. We need a nationwide system like California has, where it's the law that you can return software.

IF you go to the movies, and you didn't enjoy it, would you sue the cinema and/or the studio?
If you bought a CD you didn't like, would you sue the band or the record label?
If you bought a book, which you thought boring, would you sue the author or publisher?

How is a computer game any different?

I mean, I am sorry you think the game sucks... but since it seems pleasant enough to (in my experience) most buyers, I don't see any possibility to "sue" or "Class Action" them...

If "I didn't enjoy a game" or "based on a Tech Demo from 3 years ago, I imagined the game would be diffrent" ever becomes reason enough to sue the manufacturer, I forsee a rapid end to the entertainment industry....

This'll end up in stuff like "I saw a teaser to an upcoming movie, which I realy loved. Then I was bored by the actual movie. Let's sue the studio and force them to refund me the ticket or make the movie I hoped they would make based on the teaser"... and no studio would ever put out anything anymore, since they WILL get sued by some one who expected something different...

I have to say I agree wholeheartedly with halbwolf on this one.
I consider the game to maybe be not what I'm expecting but really guys.
Are you so poor you'd sue over a wasted $50?
C'mon the game is what we got and it's not like they promised us anything else.