Why We're Dissapointed

[sarcasm] Oh, yes, because only complete morons can appreciate a game like Spore[/sarcasm] I have looked at all the videos again, and still don't see any lies anywhere, except where people seem to misinterpret something said. "Depth" means size as well, and no matter what you say, spore is huge. You were expecting a different kind of depth, and that is not EAs fault that there were ways to misinterpret something they said. You want to try writing a speech with no possible interpretations?

avmf8 wrote:

Orithil wrote:I waited very patiently for this game. I preordered Spore in July 2006, and when Galactic Edition was announced I, of course, upgraded.

Simply put, I feel like I was lied to. Many of the things I saw as "in the game" via news releases and developer interviews simply are not there. And we're not talking about a video 2 or 3 years ago, we're talking about interviews mere months before release. Simply put, I was wary of the graphics changes, but figured with all the amazing gameplay that is/will/should be packed into this game, it won't matter.

It matters. Goodbye days where how you design your creature matters, goodbye days of learning through extinction of your own species, goodbye days of intelligent gameplay mechanics. Hello "casual gamer" garbage.

I picked up my preordered galactic edition with much excitement, bordered on drooling as it installed, started playing and exclaimed "Holy crap, I got ripped off!". From what the interviews contained as far as information to what is actually in the game is a huge leap. There's no excuse for it, they lied, plain and simple. I for one, would still like my money back, for the $80 brick that's been gathering dust since the day of release.

I only came back on these forums now to see if they were trying to make amends for the injustice they had done gamers worldwide, and I see they're not. They are instead, capitalizing on the latecomers, and the settlers, and all the other people who for some reason have accepted the utter crap they have spewed forth unto the world with their lies and misleading ads.

Fie on you, a plague on both your houses, and may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your home.

I've got a useless hunk of plastic with no chance of recovering my money, a sick feeling in my stomach, and all I can feel is pity for those who would continue to shell out money for packs of garbage that should have, by all rights, been in the game to begin with.

This is why I laugh so hard whenever people mention "informed consumers" or "consumer rights". You have only the rights you are willing to take and fight for, I've drawn my line in the sand, here it is.

I am a gamer. I want to be treated with the utmost respect my money can buy. Since this company can not do that, I graciously refuse to support their product, and will instead, support a company who still shows my buying power and presence the respect I deserve as one of the people who do in fact, support their company. That means salaries, development budgets, and the ability to be published at all. These companies would be nothing without US, the gamers, and it's about time we put away our paper money, put away our credit cards, put away our checkbooks, and watch these lying slags go down in flames.

They think you won't.

So far, they're right, and you're still just patsies.

Glad to see someone who feels the same way about it as I do. Yes when I said I was lied to I did mean the more recent vids which shows me that those features were in the game and EA games cut them out to sell in expansions later for a quick buck.

So basically they make you want Spore you buy it getting part of it and they say pay our ransom and we will give you the whole thing. What is really sad is the game I wanted so bad I bet is on Will Wrights desk. I wanted Spore bad before it came out if I knew then what I know now about it I would not have paid a buck for it.

But don;t bother trying to get you're money back I tried to get my money back and failed to get the money back. I only play it since I waited 3 years for it I am determined to have some fun with it. But I am not buying any expansion packs. Only way I will buy them is if later I come across a spore pack with all the expansions for about 10 to 20 bucks. I dont mean just a few I mean when it gets to the point where every last expansion is made and you can buy the complete set for cheap.

*singing*

But did Spore ever return? No it never returned, and it's fate is still unlearned!

Ea says just one more nickel, Spore couldn't get off that train.

Lol I totally agree, well c ya.

LSunday wrote:[sarcasm] Oh, yes, because only complete morons can appreciate a game like Spore[/sarcasm] I have looked at all the videos again, and still don't see any lies anywhere, except where people seem to misinterpret something said. "Depth" means size as well, and no matter what you say, spore is huge. You were expecting a different kind of depth, and that is not EAs fault that there were ways to misinterpret something they said. You want to try writing a speech with no possible interpretations?

I do not want to seem rude at all, but perhaps you are also misunderstanding the "Depth" we want. All that there(the OP), is the "Depth we want". We don't want a story they give us. That was our job to make it, to do trial and error and create it all from start to end. Now its merely looks we create, where once to space, its more repetitive then it should be, real fast.

As for game size, it really isn't all that big. Star with planets. Most are T0-1. Making the T2-T3 the jewels, but will always be taken when you can't claim without war. When I play, I refuse to terraform. Waste of my time. I'll head to a T3 Civ or a T2 Tribe, annihilate all on the planet and claim it and build buildings. After about 5-8 planets with 3 Colonies and max buildings, I have a Planet Buster already. And the planets like that really are spread out. But, as I said, it's all wash, rinse, repeat. Thus not making it a big game.

It's basically, "I'll give you the city of New York to decorate as you want. But you are allowed only three paint colors and you are not allowed to mix them. Nothing you say will change it. Get painting."

You are correct however and all players are allowed to have their opinions on the game. As far as I am concerned however, this is not a site to fix the problem, it's a "for the players" forum. One to say "Look! We have a forum! Share your thoughts!" but many probably view it as "Ha! You don't like? TS. You wasted your money anyway! We don't care!".

Before you snap at me or get upset, I kindly ask you to watch the 2005 video again one more time. Aside from graphics and a few implements, that was a finished game. That is what "we" wanted. Yes, there was some rendering, but that should be expected for a presentation. Otherwise, that is all gameplay. The rendering many complain about is the already made buildings, colors, etc.

All those prototypes that they released were closer to the original idea, "Science Spore" then the Spore out now.

I will not buy any expansions, nor any Maxis games again till they earn my trust again. And that is very hard to do.

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AngelofStrife wrote:

All those prototypes that they released were closer to the original idea, "Science Spore" then the Spore out now.

I will not buy any expansions, nor any Maxis games again till they earn my trust again. And that is very hard to do.

Just wondering, but how will they earn your trust if you won't but anything of theirs again?

Also, the video was not a finished game. It was Pre-rendered because the amount of glitches there probably were at the time would be immense. They didn't want all those glitches to show up during the performance, so they edited all of them out of the movie. I never once saw a real loading time between any phases, or extended gameplay of any. The underwater section, he just moved around for a little under a minute, and then went to the editor. There was not that much shown, but Will Wright talked alot about stuff you didn't see. Maxis probably couldn't get all of the things in the video to work consistantly anyway.

LSunday wrote:

AngelofStrife wrote:

All those prototypes that they released were closer to the original idea, "Science Spore" then the Spore out now.

I will not buy any expansions, nor any Maxis games again till they earn my trust again. And that is very hard to do.

Just wondering, but how will they earn your trust if you won't but anything of theirs again?

Also, the video was not a finished game. It was Pre-rendered because the amount of glitches there probably were at the time would be immense. They didn't want all those glitches to show up during the performance, so they edited all of them out of the movie. I never once saw a real loading time between any phases, or extended gameplay of any. The underwater section, he just moved around for a little under a minute, and then went to the editor. There was not that much shown, but Will Wright talked alot about stuff you didn't see. Maxis probably couldn't get all of the things in the video to work consistantly anyway.

The video before the release date was close that was not scripted. Also just because they could not get it to work for release date means it's ok to make me pay for it later when hey said it was in the game.

Here is one such vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EZghUGBETc try telling me that was scripted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXXuosvkkOc&NR=1 what about that vid tell me that was scripted.

Tell me those vids do not make it Spore look better then it really is.

they may make it look better, but i don't see anything except truth, even though it may not be exactly what you interpreted. He knew what he was saying ahead of time, and the clips were choosen to fit what he was saying, but all advertising does that. Every game.

Don't directly ask me a question, i am leaving this topic for good.

LSunday wrote:they may make it look better, but i don't see anything except truth, even though it may not be exactly what you interpreted. He knew what he was saying ahead of time, and the clips were choosen to fit what he was saying, but all advertising does that. Every game.

Don't directly ask me a question, i am leaving this topic for good.

He said he put scinetific concepts in there well where are those? Show one thing I dont see naything about this game even trying to be realistic in any way. Also there is other vids as well and they say allot of stuff that is not actually in game.

He also said there is a variety of things to do in space phase not true there is very limited stuff to do in space stage. You are simply leaving because you know you are wrong plain and simple.

People who argue from the point of view of LSunday will never concede that anthing was done unfairly or wrongly, I guess. Variety can mean more than one, in their eyes. Depth can mean size (but this statement is left open to assumption, is it size of game world, size of program, size of headache?) and procedurally generated creatures that move based on how you design them can mean pre-rendered animations that often break creative design because nothing you actually DO in designing your creature matters.

Yeah, I'm convinced you're a simp. I don't give a crap if you like it or not, or if you argue or not. You're a moron who can't see truth for blind consumerism. You have fun shelling out your cash for substandard crap, I'll hold out for the masterpiece I was promised, even if it comes from someone else. Brand loyalty is idiotic if that brand is just raping you for cash.

Orithil wrote:People who argue from the point of view of LSunday will never concede that anthing was done unfairly or wrongly, I guess. Variety can mean more than one, in their eyes. Depth can mean size (but this statement is left open to assumption, is it size of game world, size of program, size of headache?) and procedurally generated creatures that move based on how you design them can mean pre-rendered animations that often break creative design because nothing you actually DO in designing your creature matters.

Yeah, I'm convinced you're a simp. I don't give a crap if you like it or not, or if you argue or not. You're a moron who can't see truth for blind consumerism. You have fun shelling out your cash for substandard crap, I'll hold out for the masterpiece I was promised, even if it comes from someone else. Brand loyalty is idiotic if that brand is just raping you for cash.

I am glad someone else thinks that people with LSunday's point of view are more simple minded. Also about that I sure hope that someone else makes a better spore game. I cannot understand why people defend the game and say that no one was deceived about spore. With every video I was deceived quite a bit and not just to 05 vids I mean all of the vids.

As well as the info on the spore site it's self and all showed me that I was going to get what was promised. Now if for instance Will Wright said sorry we could not do what we wanted with the game and described what it is now I would still be furious but at least I would understand. If of course they gave a real good reason for it. But really I dont thein kthey have one.

I bet it was just if they dumb the game down for casual players that they will make more money. People like me keep the game industry on its feet not casual players. I am tired of the retards of the gaming world having everything made for them wile forgetting players like me who actually have intelligence.

I have decided just like you I should say what I really feel and make no apologies for it.

When i said i'm leaving, i stayed to see how everyone would react, and i do not like the sudden attack on my or everyone else who likes the game's intelligence. I am not simple minded, and you can't assume that i can appreciate a game aand that means im stupid, since that is what you're saying, no matter how you mask it. I hold people automatically in respect, and that just dropped a few notches for everyone who attacked me with no evidence the second they thought i wouldn't respond. Happy?

I don't mind that you aren't happy with the game, fine. Don't insult everyone who is. Maybe we like the creators, and do think the game itself is simple. BIG DEAL. There are some people who like simple games. That doesn't make them simple. Some lack the skill to play a hard-core game. Some lack the time. Some lack the commitment. Some just don't want to play a game like that. I like creating. I don't spend a lot of time in the game. Does that mean i'm simple-minded? A game with simple controls isn't always bad. [sarcasm] "Oh, gee, i don't have to spend an hour learning controls, this game must be horrible" [/sarcasm] The game has depth, but a different kind then what all of you seemed to be looking for. That doesn't mean they lied. That means, like i said 3 times now, you misinterpreted what they meant.

LSunday wrote:

AngelofStrife wrote:

All those prototypes that they released were closer to the original idea, "Science Spore" then the Spore out now.

I will not buy any expansions, nor any Maxis games again till they earn my trust again. And that is very hard to do.

Just wondering, but how will they earn your trust if you won't but anything of theirs again?

Though s/he is not here any more. To earn said trust again will be to release a product that makes many of those upset happy again. Then I will look into it and consider it. I am just one customer though and my lack of buying anything wont matter in the end.

If they ever released the original concept of the game, then I'll actually waste my time with reviews that matter from other gamers. I avoid reviews in general, opinions can affect your ideas of "good game" or "bad game".

Also, I still don't and won't blame Will Wright for this mess up. He is a nerd like many people out there, myself included. Science is fun to learn when taught properly (i.e not the school way, also known as shoved down your throat) and Spore had that promise. Imagine children learning science/biology in school from the Cell Stage? Over 60% of all school drop outs are cause by children/teens that feel they aren't learning anything and have better chances with a job then school. This game had a chance to renew interest in things or spark intrest in general.

Chris Hecker is the person I blame. I believe I read somewhere that he did not understand why people are blaming him. I know he will never read this, but I might want to take a shot in the dark and say, "We wanted Science Spore ya nutter! Not Cute Spore!"

Here I've posted this a few time now second video starts right off with Chris Hecker. He even talks about science Spore here. He laughs about changing Spore on us (from the Creature Creator).
http://www.sporeuniverse.net/index.php?start_from=&ucat=&subaction=showfull&id=1219012266&archive=1220241633&
About 26 minutes into the first video you see a lot of things they did with art direction. After watching the videos of Will Wright talking about the Science aspects of the released Spore I'm not so sure of him anymore.

The thing is I don;t care if its cute or not they could have made it cute and still delivered on what they promised. They said the creatures shape meant how it would behave. I don't care if it looks cute I just want if there is a claw on the tail it attacks with the tail something that does not happen now. I should make a video to show what I mean.

no matter where the weapon is they always lunge forward. When they spit it does not even matter where the spitter is it is still the same. I think this was simply to make it so kids could play the game. Though I think kids would have liked the as promised spore.

LSunday, I can understand how you might happy with your product. But I'm guessing you are because you never really followed the game. The people who are angry are the people who were waiting years for this game. They made so many promises that just didn't happen. We were tricked.

And don't say we misunderstand. Look at the quotes I picked out in my first post. Can you honestly say they're true?

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I'm adding some good quotes I've picked out. Please everyone keep posting. Maybe someone who has some affect on the future of spore will eventually read it.