minionjoe wrote:

rocketgirl wrote:If there's enough popular support--and I think there is--Maxis might be persuaded. I see no reason to just give up.

From EA/Maxis' point of view, a second version of Spore would incur duplicate expenses for a product that would be competing with their existing release. It'd be twice the cost for the same amount of sales.

For that reason alone I doubt we'll ever see a hardcore version of Spore released anytime in the near future.

I intend on surviving past the near future. Sometimes I even plan for it.

We are on Civilization IV now, 17 years after the original.

At the very least, we can use the present Spore experience as a learning experience for what we want out of some future incarnation, or out of computer games more generally.

The only thing to do, for those of us who still care about the ambitious ideas that attracted us to Spore in the first place, is to keep pushing for improvement.

sardonik wrote:

rocketgirl wrote:I'd rather not have anything to complain about, but that requires change.

You're no Barack Obama.

Of course not; I'm much smarter than Barack Obama.
...only a moron would actually WANT to be president.

Think of me more as Howard Beale; I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!

...

*crickets*

What...no one here has seen Network? Seriously?

I love spore... but I think I would prefer the idea of a "Science Spore." Will Wright recently did an interview saying that he throws his own lot behind evolutionism... and talks a bit about why he thinks so, but also about some intelligent design books he's read. (This was in the latest issue of Game Informer, by the way).

I don't really think that they are being fickle about taking sides...

To be honest the game only mimics Darwinian theory of evolution minimally... and the fact is that Spore is a "God Game". So yeah, it is sort of both sides... but here's the thing for me...

IT'S A GAME

They aren't marketing their product as something that is real... they are marketing it as a game... and I don't think there is any reason to argue over that.

Back to the point though... Science Spore would be great to see... I would love to play a game that dealt in more depth with actual evolutionary processes. That being said... I admit, Spore may not be as amazing as I thought it would be in my mind... but nothing ever is, in all seriousness. The game is still great, maybe not revolutionary, but definitely original and hopefully the first of similar games. I am tired of all of the people saying "OMG ITS NOT AS GOOD AS THE SIMS OMG WILL WRIGHT SCREWED US OVER ITS NOT AS GOOD AS THE SIMS OMG HE HAS ABANDONED HIS ROOTS OMG."

Screw that... if you don't like it as much as the sims... fine. But the differences between the Sims and Spore are so fundamentally vast that they shouldn't be compared. Yes Will Wright took ideas from the Sims, but what were you expecting the game to be? The Sims with creatures you created yourself? That is not what this is about. Honestly I wouldn't talk to a Sims fan and be like "YOU WOULD LOVE SPORE!!" or vice-versa.

I think: Let the game speak for itself. To put in my two cents worth:

Should Maxis Make Science Spore? Yes. Yes yes yes, GOD yes. That is something I would be really excited to play. But I don't think its fair to look at it from a point of view that Science Spore would be Spore 2.0, and I think some people judge it that way.

trulyalone wrote:
Should Maxis Make Science Spore? Yes. Yes yes yes, GOD yes. That is something I would be really excited to play. But I don't think its fair to look at it from a point of view that Science Spore would be Spore 2.0, and I think some people judge it that way.

Tell you what...I'll think of it any way you like. I'll think of Science Spore as present-day Spore's moron, illegitimate, club-footed, half-brother with severe halitosis if that makes you happy, just so long as it gets made and I can play it.
I'm not married to judgment calls, I just want to play the game that so enthralled me when they first started talking about it. That's all.

I understand where you are coming from. I am not so as... enthusiastic about it as you are, but I get you.

I think maxis/ea have decided the kiddy/catoony market is worth more then the rest of us so I don't think we'll be seeing anything with any real depth any time soon.

sredni wrote: I think maxis/ea have decided the kiddy/catoony market is worth more then the rest of us so I don't think we'll be seeing anything with any real depth any time soon.

And for a lot of us, Maxis won't be seeing any more of our money any time soon.

Something to think about.

I have to admit... and I almost feel bad for saying this but I don't know why...

For the next Spore game... I think I'll wait and read the reviews done by Game Informer, and watch X-Play before I decide to buy it or not. I think some of the reviews are unfair to Spore though.

i will bye it if Vivindi Games buys out EA and wipes their policy makers.

trulyalone wrote:I have to admit... and I almost feel bad for saying this but I don't know why...

For the next Spore game... I think I'll wait and read the reviews done by Game Informer, and watch X-Play before I decide to buy it or not. I think some of the reviews are unfair to Spore though.

Well, as the scores stand right now, it's 22 to 2, with 6 undecideds; Even if we divide the undecideds evenly, that's still 5 to 1 in favor of playing Science Spore (as opposed to the 11 to 1 that it would be otherwise), which means that the so-called Cute Team was full of weapons-grade crap.

That said, I agree with you; even if Maxis releases Science Spore, I won't be first in line to buy it; I'll get my hands on someone else's copy and try it before making a purchase. And to explicitly put the blame for that where it belongs, YES, that is entirely 100% due to present-day Cute Spore.
The only possible way I can look at this is Maxis shooting themselves in the foot with their fan base.

ill do some coding! lets make spore science

pugnap00 wrote:ill do some coding! lets make spore science

You'll need an accountant and someone to write documentation. I volunteer my services if you need them.

I'm Sparticus.

OpenSporce needs three things. Money, Twinkies, Mountain Dew.

I can provide the site and leadership, along with a billion ideas. Just don't ask me anything above Pre-Algebra. You need info on cells? Fine. You need Algorithms? That's why money is required.

i'll maintain my position as coffee brewer, cheese slicer, geek houser and body-painter.

Can you make chocolate fudge, or pudding, or anything like that? If so, you're on the team.