The difference is one is a person whose sole purpose on this board seems to be to inundate the forums with issues that have been brought up time and time again and that we are all well aware of, and the other is someone who is slightly tired of the rehashed topics, over, and over, and over, and would rather it be done constructively, or, at least, in the feedback section where it probably belongs.

EDIT: Mind that I do not mind the addressing of problems, but giving the situation a "I don't care what you say, shut up, I'm going tokeep whining and bawwwwwwww'ing until I get my way *throws a temper tantrum* is not the way to get the attention you desire from anyone, let alone corporate bigwigs with more demands than appeasing a vocal minority of disgruntled gamers.

Polite, "assertive but not angry and not stupidly aggressive", organized outcry is generally the way to go about it. Daisuke (I believe that's his nam,e, the poor dude who spent a week and a half in waiting with EA Tech Support) vs. RocketGirl, is the comparison I'm trying to make. One is creating a cohesive comprehensive reason why this is wrong and what sohuld be done; the other is just yelling and by thei own admission will yell louder and ingore everyone until she gets her way.

I too yearn for a Science Spore rather than a Cute Spore. However, the cuteness element can be minimized with some effort. Just don't make cute creations and buddy people who also avoid making cute creations.


http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=sast-500139968173


http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=usr-Didzo%7C2263200282%3Asast-500130166725


http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=usr-Didzo%7C2263200282%3Asast-500114636095%3Apg-20

You can't say those things are cutesy, now can you?

I would appreciate more in-depth gameplay though: Everything from the creature stage to space stage is dumbed down. Hard mode isn't really harder: it just lowers your health and makes other creatures more irritable. I'd love the possibility to micromanage my empire and to have more options with what I want to do in the Civ. and Space stages.

Didzo wrote:I too yearn for a Science Spore rather than a Cute Spore. However, the cuteness element can be minimized with some effort. Just don't make cute creations and buddy people who also avoid making cute creations.

You can't say those things are cutesy, now can you?

I would appreciate more in-depth gameplay though: Everything from the creature stage to space stage is dumbed down. Hard mode isn't really harder: it just lowers your health and makes other creatures more irritable. I'd love the possibility to micromanage my empire and to have more options with what I want to do in the Civ. and Space stages.

I would totally give that first and third one a hug

(i'm a guy, and i'm not gay)

I would totally give that first and third one a hug

(i'm a guy, and i'm not gay)

Umm.... Thanks I guess. But hugs are not necessary. Please.

No one commented on my alcohol and Spore picture. Punks.

Didzo wrote:

I would totally give that first and third one a hug

(i'm a guy, and i'm not gay)

Umm.... Thanks I guess. But hugs are not necessary. Please.

you read the parenthesis right? i was trying to be funny, everything always turns on me

111uminate wrote:No one commented on my alcohol and Spore picture. Punks.

Punks eh? Wow... I'm hurt, actually I thought thats how many bottles you had to drink to actually start playing spore again. <JOKING>

TormakSaber wrote:The difference is one is a person whose sole purpose on this board seems to be to inundate the forums with issues that have been brought up time and time again and that we are all well aware of, and the other is someone who is slightly tired of the rehashed topics, over, and over, and over, and would rather it be done constructively, or, at least, in the feedback section where it probably belongs.

EDIT: Mind that I do not mind the addressing of problems, but giving the situation a "I don't care what you say, shut up, I'm going tokeep whining and bawwwwwwww'ing until I get my way *throws a temper tantrum* is not the way to get the attention you desire from anyone, let alone corporate bigwigs with more demands than appeasing a vocal minority of disgruntled gamers.

Polite, "assertive but not angry and not stupidly aggressive", organized outcry is generally the way to go about it. Daisuke (I believe that's his nam,e, the poor dude who spent a week and a half in waiting with EA Tech Support) vs. RocketGirl, is the comparison I'm trying to make. One is creating a cohesive comprehensive reason why this is wrong and what sohuld be done; the other is just yelling and by thei own admission will yell louder and ingore everyone until she gets her way.

This man speaks truth.

TormakSaber wrote:The difference is one is a person whose sole purpose on this board seems to be to inundate the forums with issues that have been brought up time and time again and that we are all well aware of

"Aware of"? Are you trying to say that making people AWARE is the only allowable goal? When not only is nothing getting done, but no comment has been made to that effect?
I've gone out of my way to say that what I'm after is information, communication, an end to the resounding silence coming out of Maxis/EA. Some acknowledgment of the problems by the company that created them, and some inkling of what they plan to do about them. I've even gone so far as to say that even a negative answer saying that nothing will ever be changed and that they don't care about our concerns would be acceptable.

The difference here is active versus passive; I REFUSE to be passive and just wait and hope that I've been heard and that something will be done. For some reason this offends you. Tough.

All Maxis has to do is drop in and say, "Heard you; we're on it," or "Heard you; tough noogies." I don't think that's asking for the world on a stick...why do you? *boggle*

Yup, I am totally behind this.

I am sick and tired of little **** to come on these boards and make grand claims on how the game is exactly as it was shown and promised. They don't even bother to educate themselfes. Not one bit.

Ooh, I am all for the right to your own opinion.
But it seems that the seasoned fans are getting it up in the behind for even mentioning the notion that some things just don't add up.

Mind you we have as much right as anyone else to spew our opinion as any other Spore loving member around here.

Did it ever occured to you that it is only because we care so much about Spore that we hammer on this? Its not even hammering. There are about 3 active threads -with people following up on their posts - pointing out the bad.
while everyday there are some random threads by some microbe shouting how great Spore is and how we the veterans should pack up our stuff and leave.

We often talk about mutual respect.
It seems that only we need to show mutual respect.
We are not the ones making single confrontational threads and then ditch them.

Parvati wrote:
Did it ever occured to you that it is only because we care so much about Spore that we hammer on this?

And that's exactly correct; I still want to play Spore...it's just that, by this I mean that I want to play the Spore that seemed so promising, so amazing, so right up my alley. The Spore that was about science and learning and experimentation...as opposed to the Spore that seems to be largely about making pretty content.

I care. I care a lot. And so long as there is a chance or a glimmer or even an inkling of hope that we might get to play the game that was originally pitched instead of the jumped up dolly-dress-up program we have now, I'm going to fight--and fight HARD--for that chance.
And until Maxis finally weighs in explicitly, no one will know if that chance is there or not.

If someone has a problem with this...as Parvati pointed out, there's only a few active threads on the subject, and it's YOUR choice to click on 'em and read 'em. Complaining about them is like going to a punk rock concert and complaining that it's not jazz; you knew what you were getting into (unlike those of us who bought Spore; don't get me started on how misleading they were in advertising this...game) and nobody is exactly being constructive by coming in here, quite specifically attacking ME, and then telling everyone supporting my case to shut the heck up.

TormakSaber wrote:The difference is one is a person whose sole purpose on this board seems to be to inundate the forums with issues that have been brought up time and time again and that we are all well aware of, and the other is someone who is slightly tired of the rehashed topics, over, and over, and over, and would rather it be done constructively, or, at least, in the feedback section where it probably belongs.

EDIT: Mind that I do not mind the addressing of problems, but giving the situation a "I don't care what you say, shut up, I'm going tokeep whining and bawwwwwwww'ing until I get my way *throws a temper tantrum* is not the way to get the attention you desire from anyone, let alone corporate bigwigs with more demands than appeasing a vocal minority of disgruntled gamers.

Polite, "assertive but not angry and not stupidly aggressive", organized outcry is generally the way to go about it. Daisuke (I believe that's his nam,e, the poor dude who spent a week and a half in waiting with EA Tech Support) vs. RocketGirl, is the comparison I'm trying to make. One is creating a cohesive comprehensive reason why this is wrong and what sohuld be done; the other is just yelling and by thei own admission will yell louder and ingore everyone until she gets her way.

Why I'm not a huge fan of Anime I think you'd do well to watch Code Geass.

Long story short the show appeared to me to be trying to say "Sure you might get stabbed through the heart, but at least you won't be as ineffective as that guy whining on the inside acting all morally high and mighty, you know the same guy who eventually joins you because he realizes the people he's ranting to don't give a crap about him."

I make that point and then point out that you cited a "poor dude" who "spent a week and a half" trying to negotiate with tech support.

This is the problem with large companies, they overstretch their employees. I used to help hundreds of people a week by myself (don't misunderstand, so did the rest of my fellow techies, I'm not bragging) at Circuit City. The difference with us was that most of the time it was small, simple issues. So we in turn were able to help them exceptionally fast and with little aggravation. Our store hired the correct amount of employees to fulfill the need of the consumers around us.

EA and companies like it seem to have a tiny hub in the US with 12 people trying to help 100k issues. The fact that they are so slow on return shows that they are having major problems with far too many people. And why? The game was rushed out the door so much so that it even has parts of things they never finished still in it. Their is little reason for me to believe the game was play tested because I alone had found a bunch of oddities the first 100 hours I was playing. If you have an achievement for 100 hours you'd think someone would of tried playing that long and done multiple games.

I don't 'hate' anyone at the Maxis Studio, I either greatly misunderstand or greatly disagree at least a few individuals, and the same can 'possibly' be said about EA.

It's just that it feels like lately they are trying to make me not like them...and that's just wierd.

As far as I can tell a good deal of RocketGirls comments, that I have read, have been pretty on the ball. They may be a little bit louder than most complaints but I think that is a matter of passion. I'll likely not bat an eye if you were to insult me in person, I would likely however beat the ever loving fecal matter out of you if you were to say something rude to my GF (No Rocketgirl is not my GF, this is called an example). Why? Because I'm passionate in my thoughts, feelings, and actions towards her. I personally don't care what some petty minded fool has to say about me, but he best keep his comments targeted thusly.

Just like how I feel about SPORE. I came here and I posted a huge post on how I feel SPORE should have been done, it was pleasant, friendly, and longer than most attention spans can handle.

I didn't even get a 'hmmm' from 'anyone' at MAXIS. This was before the HUGE rush to the forums was at its height too.

So in Code Geass terms, I've tagged over to the rebel side of the team (or for you star wars fanatics...the rebel side of the team).

I give you guys (parvati, rocket girl, and ultimate) alot of credit for still caring at this point. The lack of acknowledgment from the maxis team has been the straw that broke this camel's back. I had so many high hopes for Science Spore, only to be disappointed. So i spent as much time here in the forums as i did in the actual game. However i've lost my will to care any more. I'm afraid its a wasted effort to keep trying to get a responce or a fix. Even though it may be impossible, i STILL want Science Spore. Ive got a lot of respect for the above mentioned users. If any progress is made, it will be due to THEIR efforts, not the winy spore fanboys who accept this drek for what it is. Leave unconditional acceptance for your kids, not a broken computer game.

renlar wrote:I give you guys (parvati, rocket girl, and ultimate) alot of credit for still caring at this point. The lack of acknowledgment from the maxis team has been the straw that broke this camel's back. I had so many high hopes for Science Spore, only to be disappointed. So i spent as much time here in the forums as i did in the actual game. However i've lost my will to care any more. I'm afraid its a wasted effort to keep trying to get a responce or a fix. Even though it may be impossible, i STILL want Science Spore. Ive got a lot of respect for the above mentioned users. If any progress is made, it will be due to THEIR efforts, not the winy spore fanboys who accept this drek for what it is. Leave unconditional acceptance for your kids, not a broken computer game.

Hey I got a response from Maxis.

They said they will suspend my account if I keep screwing around.

So ha! Eat that .

As for unconditional acceptance...SPORE my mom and GF have that. I swear if there are two women in this world I cannot find the ability to ever argue with, it would be my GF and my mother. It's hard as hell to ever feel anything but pleasant around someone who is always supporting you.

Which again is why you shouldn't do that sort of thing with people who need to fix crap, I know from experience, you work much slower.

In reference to an awful lot of commentary I have just read. It appears that many are missing the point. The software is "working as intended" for ,one can surmise, the vast majority of the user base. The usual "silent majority" that all games possess.
Neither EA or Maxis are obliged to answer you. Tech support ? sure if your software is crashing, failing to launch etc.. but to answer why it's not working as "YOU intended (wished)" ?

Simply put don't hold your breath. I appreciate your passion, I personally wanted more from this game. Much, much more.
Truthfully though for the kind of feedback your looking for, you've bigged the wrong publisher/developer. They are large, compatmentalized and firmly wedged into the corporate mold. You are nothing more than a + or - on the balance sheet. There is no emotion involved. Spore is a product nothing more nothing less.
There will at some point (has been some already, I believe) be "damage control" statements issued about DRM etc. These will of course go straight to the industry press/websites as they are the source that matters to the corporation.
I wish you well in your quest though. Maybe you really can change the world. I on the other hand will return to the world of the independents such as Stardock and Matrix games when Spore plays itself out for me. There user opinion really can make a difference.