Neruu wrote:can't really trust this poll since probably a lot only voting for it cause there mad at spore.

Right. Because people that are mad at Spore clearly cannot be trusted.

RedLightning777 wrote:

RocketGirl wrote:This horse isn't dead until Maxis kills it...

I dont think MAXIS is going to be the one to kill it!. EA certainly beat it up enough, its almost dead. But I have hope.

Oh, I don't even suspect that. Of either of them.

If anything is killing this thread, it's apathy.

I've said it before but are people really saying cute and science are mutually exclusive ?

Absolutely.

No, not ME. The so-called "Cute Team" at Maxis said it; what Spore has become is the result.

But nobody here is saying that a Science Spore couldn't also be cute; hell, the 2005 version of Spore WAS kinna cute in its own way.
But the point is more arguing that the science-centric Spore that Will Wright originally envisioned is something that we want to play.

Science Spore is also a bad way to name the game.

Can't be helped. "Spore 2005" is misleading, and the Spore team divided up into Cute and Science teams; evil...*cough* sorry, cute won, and the result is this pile of pudu we have now. So drawing the line between Cute and Science is basically inevitable; treat it as a buzzword, an easy identifier.

Science Spore has become the popular term to adress the missing behavioural code, form follows function, the micro/macro management.

But all of those things are DIRECTLY related to the scientific principles no longer being present nor the focus of Spore. The Spore I'm advocating is the one in which players discover principles of the universe like ecology, cosmology, astrophysics, Drake's Equation, etc, etc, through gameplay and experimentation.

That's science, baby!

can't really trust this poll since probably a lot only voting for it cause there mad at spore.

That makes the opposite of sense. What good would come from making a scientific version of Spore that would ease ANGER? Unless, of course, your anger is directed at the lack of science in Spore?
I suppose someone might decide that making Maxis waste a double-wide buttload of money making a product nobody wants might be a bizarre form of revenge...but I'm having a hard time seeing more than one or two votes being cast on THAT basis.

And if they're angry at Spore...didja ever stop to think WHY they're angry at Spore? Truth to tell, I STARTED this thread/poll out of anger...anger that the science had been leeched out of Spore, anger that I wasn't going to get to play the awesome game that would have resulted from Spore staying on the science track.
Being angry doesn't invalidate the poll...it legitimizes it; people are angry with Spore, with Maxis, with EA, and we'd like something DONE about that. This poll is a reflection of that desire.

And I still notice that for every one person who votes no, at least ten vote yes. Chew on that for a moment...I'll wait.

True RG.
I don't disagree and as usual your reasoning makes perfect sense, now let me re read it just for the fun of it

yes yes yes did I say yes?

no apathy!!! the thread LIVES!!!! hahaha!!! Science Spore FOREVER!!!

I love you guys!

And I love that I'm not aone!

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Awesome

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Will do

RocketGirl wrote:

vermil wrote:Well, I don't know what "science Spore" is.

Maxis got divided up into two camps: Science and Cute. Cute won. We want Science Spore here in this thread.

See, the center of this game is the editor, not simulation.

And that's the problem.
It really should be a blending of the two...but if you have to emphasize one, it should be the simulation, not the editor.

Is that really how it happened? I can't believe that. They should've launched BOTH, and swept up both ends of the market (inserting countless profanities now).

SmokeyPSD wrote:Is that really how it happened? I can't believe that.

Indeed it is. Search the name Chris Hecker and you're sure to find news articles with him bragging about how he convinced Will Wright to give up all that boring science stuff and instead make the game fun for kids.

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MinionJoe wrote:

SmokeyPSD wrote:Is that really how it happened? I can't believe that.

Indeed it is. Search the name Chris Heckler and you're sure to find news articles with him bragging about how he convinced Will Wright to give up all that boring science stuff and instead make the game fun for kids.

WHich only makes me gnash my teeth even further. If you hear Will Wright talk about it, "all that science stuff" was FOR kids.

Look, maybe I was exceptional or something, but as a kid, I was curious and liked to learn when it wasn't rammed down my throat. And learning when it was presented as entertainment was fun, too.
People don't give kids enough credit. I like to look at the original Star Wars movies as an example: on the surface, they seemed like they were for kids, but they tackled complex spiritual, social, and familial issues which common wisdom TODAY would say that kids can't understand...but back THEN, in the late-seventies/early-eighties, kids just yummed those movies right up! And adults dug 'em too. (About the prequels, tho...don't go there; not relevant. Please...keep this discussion and analogy on track, okay?)
If you translate that to Spore, keeping the science in would not have killed the game's fun-value. It wouldn't. I think kids would have loved it, and I know I would have. Give it a chance!

MinionJoe wrote:

SmokeyPSD wrote:Is that really how it happened? I can't believe that.

Indeed it is. Search the name Chris Heckler and you're sure to find news articles with him bragging about how he convinced Will Wright to give up all that boring science stuff and instead make the game fun for kids.

Actually his name is Hecker (no L) that was added by journalist "wags" when he called the Wii "a piece of s**t" back in '06 or '07.
He has always said actually he subscribes to the "games as an artform" school of thought.

That means he has his name attached to a piece of art called "Spore-the art of polishing a Turd"

182 to 16 says a lot even just right now. I guess they really DIDN'T know what they were doing

In fact im going to link this thread in my sig